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This thread was archived on 29 December 2015 by Liquidhelium.

In short, should we have an attack range spot next to attack speed for weapons (and maybe monsters, too)? Example parameter "attack range" on Noxious scythe article: aRange = 2. Discuss pls. /bren/tc 02:18, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

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Comment - Ok. Speaking of additions to Infobox Bonuses, add tier and (armour/weapon) type? Some mockups I made: [1]. (Weapon type (not included in image) would be things that differentiate weapons other than class, style, hand - like 'shieldbow' or 'halberd'.) There were some other things about this point, but I'd see interest in it before going into that. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 02:36, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Support - Mol needs to get to work then! /bren/tc 02:39, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good (@OP too), but not 'tier'. That's a dung-only term, where e.g. tier 7 means level 60. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 09:51, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
No it isn't. Tier is important to understanding stats of all items, and it's the predominant term for the attribute. MolMan 12:40, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
'Level' is. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 13:35, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
Dungeoneering tier and equipment tier are separate - but linked - concepts which are distinct enough to be easily disambiguated.
Jagex uses 'level' and 'tier' interchangeably and inconsistently. We, however, should - and do - not. The level of equipment is essentially the stats you need to equip it (not including stats needed for the requisite quest). Equipment tier is the number which fits into the statistic equations to generate the item's bonuses. Tier and level are usually the same, but not always - essentially all bronze/novite equipment is level 1, tier 5; Ancient Warriors' equipment is level 78, tier 80; a lot of TH/limited stuff has lower tier than the requirement (e.g. Skirmisher armour is level 20/30/40/50/60, tier 18/27/36/46/56).
Aside from a small number of articles, every equipable item already has its tier on it, and I've been doing work recently to make sure they're correct. The categories are filled and are on the equipment pages. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 14:26, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
Shut up Gaz your sound just like tier guy! Korasi's sword.png Archmage Elune  TalkHS Void knight deflector.png fetus is my son and I love him. 14:32, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Comment - Attack range is currently mentioned in the article's body in cases where it's not obvious and is actually notable (ranged weapons). I don't see why it should have a spot in infobox bonuses. It would be 1 for most melee weapons and 8 for all magic weapons. Weak oppose, I guess. 5-x Talk 14:35, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

So you're saying staves have same attack range as wand+orb? Definitely not. What about Ascensions for example, having a farther attack range than death lotus darts for example? I believe wand and orb have a farther range than dual wield crossbows - even though they're both fastest dual wield weapons. Also, what do you mean the attack range is stated in article bodies? I don't see that. I feel like aRange could be another parameter when comparing items. /bren/tc 22:34, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
Wands and staves do have the same attack range. Maybe try testing this stuff before you say anything. MolMan 22:53, December 22, 2015 (UTC)
Are you 1,000,000% positive? I'll go test it. /bren/tc 23:29, December 22, 2015 (UTC)

Support - I have a few ranged ranges I've been accumulating on my user page, although I haven't added too much since the initial edits. --Saftzie (talk) 13:40, December 23, 2015 (UTC)

Support - I don't see an issue with exposing such information in a tabular format as well as in prose (if it's not there already). cqm 11:35, 24 Dec 2015 (UTC) (UTC)

If this parameter does get added, it's not being called "aRange". That's stupid and confusing. MolMan 21:30, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

oRange? --Saftzie (talk) 23:36, December 24, 2015 (UTC)
You're such a hoot. MolMan 23:37, December 24, 2015 (UTC)

Closed - Attack range may be added to the infobox. Generally useful things, such as Gareth's comment, may be added as an application of RS:BB. In the less-than-probable case of controversy, then a discussion can be held. --LiquidTalk 04:04, December 29, 2015 (UTC)