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An idea that's been stewing in my head for a while. Why do we not have articles for certain members of Jagex, or more specifically, Runescape Staff?

We have an article for Mark Gerhard. We have them for Andrew, Paul and even the rather insignificant Ian.

So why does Mod Mark still redirect to Jagex Moderator? He is Runescape's Lead Designer; every update in the game goes through him, and he decides whether they get in!

I also think that it could be worth it to have articles for some of the more prolific content developers and community management employees. Of course, not all of them would get articles - there is not much we could write about, say, one of the German Localisation people.

So the proposal here, is, essentially to create articles for prolific Jagex employees. --Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 07:01, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

Comment - Eh. Jagex staff come and go, I think that's why we only have articles on the top guys. Take MMH for example - one of the most widely known and accepted mods in community management & development, and he doesn't work there anymore, so an article on him would be kind of useless, whereas Andrew & Paul actually created the game. Tytn had an awesome profile in the way of content, and he doesn't work there anymore either. Mod Mark's redirect should probably be fixed, you can do that. (; sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 16:17, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Expand Jagex Moderator to include information about the more prevalent staff members, possibly some past mods, like fergie mentioned. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:21, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Urbancowgirl, might I redirect you to Geoff Iddison? Tytn may not work at Jagex, but you are correct in stating that he had quite an extensive profile of content that he developed - did he not leave his mark on the game? Armadyl symbol.png Nightgunner Talk Illuminated Book of Law.png 01:20, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Why are you directing me to Geoff Iddison? He was a CEO, like Constant and Mark, who also have their own articles. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 02:03, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Who's Ian, anyway? White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 03:01, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Sort of support - Create "List of Jagex Moderators" with sections "former" and "active". Mod Tytn would get a more detailed section than, say, Mod Woody. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 16:28, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support with Caution - there are several key Jagex employees that their presence is still felt in the game after they have left and as such should have an article. This should be watched for the moment we start writing articles about actual people the next thing there will be a petition to have key players written up. Quest.png Darrik Ash US serv.svg HS ALDarklight detail.png 20:37, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Support - However, I think we need strict policies of verifiable on pages about real people, perhaps like Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons, which stresses no original research, strong verifiability, and the necessity for accuracy. While we are not wikipedia, pages about real people are a more serious ground than an article about an item in a video game, I would say. Hofmic Talk 21:48, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I agree with Gaz's and Fswe's ideas. Also I agree with Urban saying that an article on someone who doesn't work there (minus the ones who created RS)is not entirely needed. --Touhou FTW 21:54, October 18, 2011 (UTC)

Conditional Support - As others worries has been about only important moderators and staff, I agree. For example, if Jagex has "Mod Henry" join, I don't agree he should be in an article, but instead people like MMG and Andrew. --中亚人/中亞人 (Chinasian/Jeffwang16) 跟我谈话 00:48, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Support, so long as we maintain verifiability and accuracy per Hofmic's comment above. ajr 14:04, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Neutral - I personally think that as long as the person is important and has enough relevance to RuneScape, they should have an article. However, a prolific employee will not necessarily be important, there are other factors that affect this, mainly reliable sources.

Anyway, I agree with Hofmic, we should have a policy about people that stresses no original research, verifiability and accuracy. Smithing (talk | contribs) 22:45, October 21, 2011 (UTC)

Neutral - I don't think this is 100% necessary. Mod Mark is a friend of mine, as well as many in the development and support sectors of the staff team, and from experience, I don't think they would like things being documented about them in such a formal setting. I know a few who have been have become much more conservative, and some have even switched departments to avoid the fame that comes from their role. Perhaps rather than their own article, we can create a list on the Jagex Moderator page which lists common or well known staff members and their current roles within Jagex, and possibly a small section of their projects (if they have any). This will provide a very convenient location to find a bit of information, and it requires less maintenance regarding changes, leaves, or other factors.

Bonziiznob Talk

16:59, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Your main reason sounds like "we shouldn't do it, because sometimes they don't want it", which shouldn't be valid. If they're a major part of RS, they should get an article. Also, I don't see how an article would require much maintenance. Sections on people can really only be added, not deleted. And we shouldn't shy away from tasks because they're hard work. ɳex undique 20:49, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
You know, the idea of a list is a pretty good start, I'd say. Just a table listing moderators and their role (eg, Lead Programmer, CEO, Community Management) would be as good a place as any, to start. Hofmic Talk 04:46, November 1, 2011 (UTC)
We used to have a list. It was removed after someone said it would be silly to keep up with the mass amount of J-mods who join/quit, also considering that there is no list of J-mod name to RL name... We could only add who we know of. If we happen to know their RL names as well as their occupation, that'd be rare. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 16:51, November 1, 2011 (UTC)

Comment- I will only support if it is only for the Jagex staff that does most runescape stuff because it would be pointless to have an article on members of the funorb team. Hair 17:11, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Support - If they're important, and have contributed much to the design of the game, then they deserve an article on this wiki. I don't see why they shouldn't. ɳex undique 22:14, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Why is this the only search result for Daniel Clough? Matt (t) 01:30, November 6, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I'm not convinced that articles for each individual moderator are necessary. Most of these articles will: A) Be short stubs with little information, or simple gossip. B) Be hard to distinguish who is, and who is not notable for inclusion, which could result in protracted "debates" between fans and non-fans of different mods C) Quite possibly be a target for vandals, and could also draw the ire of JaGex if something is deemed to be libelous by them.

I am not however, opposed to the idea of making categories for each of the Mods. If you wanted you could possibly put categories at the bottom of pages, which would make a nice directory of content each Mod is responsible for creating; the directory would be a great tool for readers who are curious to figure out which developers are responsible for their favorite content. Just my two cents. --Whiplash 04:50, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Criteria

Okay then - So what would be the criteria on who should have an article and who shouldn't? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 18:25, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

If their name is mentioned multiple times and thus recognised in update posts, if they are a well known designer, an active and recognised poster in the forums, or just well known by the community in general, I don't see why they shouldn't have an article. We can UCS and BB on it, and as long as we have enough information on them to make the page a reasonable read, there's no reason not to give credit where credit is due. Ronan Talk 18:34, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
I think anyone who makes a credited appearance in the game. For example, the KB lists the developers of each quest. That's a big start. Perhaps we could just use a giant table with columns of account name, real name, position, and noteable actions. Obviously there will be a lot of empty cells (why is Jagex the only game company I've ever seen to not have full game credits at least somewhere??), but it'd be a start, and would be an easy, standardized way to fill in information. And the moderators who are mentioned multiple times, as Flay said, could get their own article, provided we have enough information to create one (ie, more information than the table already would state). Hofmic Talk 18:54, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
One Google search later... Matt (t) 20:27, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
^Oh, but that's quite outdated. Matt (t) 20:29, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
Oooh, and now I feel stupid. Kudos to you Matthew. Dated or not, such a page could make a good basis. And oh my, it's quite the list... Now, I need to find a hard surface... Hofmic Talk 06:38, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Okay, that's useful and all, but some people above suggested adding their Mod names to their real names. That'd be very difficult to find. What do? sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 15:40, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

The way I see it, if we don't even know their names, expecting to fill out an article on them is stoopid. Ronan Talk 15:54, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Note: Acquiring information is not hard. For example, I just learnt that Mod Ana's favourite character is Sliske. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 13:58, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

..Congratulations to her. <.< sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 15:50, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
Just saying that we can easily fill up articles as time goes by with these kind of juicy facts. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 10:25, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
That sounds more like a trivia tidbit to me. IMO, we would need more than just trivia filler if we created articles on them. How would you get some information such as, like other people have said, not only their mod name, but their actual name and their role at Jagex? --Touhou FTW Zaros symbol.png 12:50, November 13,2011 (UTC)
Also, time to obtain said information is to be looked at as well. If we have a mostly empty page devoid of information then what would be the point? I know we could mark it as a stub or something but if it's just going to sit there collecting dust for lack of info, I find it rather pointless. --Touhou FTW Zaros symbol.png 12:53, November 13, 2011 (UTC)
Apparently I failed to state what I meant above so I'll restate it here. What I mean is, put simply, I'm with Flay on this mostly. We should only really have an article on them if we can obtain enough info on them so that their article isn't just sitting there collecting dust. I don't think trivia tidbits should be a filler either such as the "Mod Ana's favourite character is Sliske" thing. We would need to provide good, quality info if we should make articles on them. --Touhou FTW Zaros symbol.png 13:13, November 13, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Articles for Staff will be created. The criteria for such pages will be that Jmods must be notable and have a decent amount of information known about them to deserve their own article. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 05:06, December 7, 2011 (UTC)