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This thread was archived on 16 December 2018 by Haidro.

I noticed some old, terribly inneficient moneymaking guides being proposed for deletion here and here. While i agree that those methods are not worth it for any player and should not be kept cluttering the money making page, i do not believe money making guides should ever be deleted, because prices in the market always fluctuate, and although unlikely, we might want to reactivate one of these guides in the future.

I propose that instead of deleting outdated moneymaking guides, we archive them in a separate page & category, where they won't obstruct viewing of the actual-useful-guides but will remain acessible for historical purposes and in case we need to bring them back.

Addition: Guides could be archived for a number of reasons, including requiring updating after a game update changes some mechanics. I suppose if an update renders a guide completely impossible, then it should still be deleted.

Raven (blue).png Crowborn (Talk)19:06, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

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Comment - Has there ever been an example of an MMG we've deleted but later restored because the profit increased over time? Or any MMG that we've deleted but later became good? HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 07:20, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - I agree that articles as big as these should be archived in some form or another. Mayhaps doing it out of the way, or using {{Archive list}}, would be a good solution. dDbvitC.pngScuzzy Betahib8CAd.png 07:49, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Comment - We had a similar discussion regarding old training methods. The consensus there was move it to the userspace Ciphrius Kane (talk) 07:54, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - MMG should reflect currently viable methods. If we never remove obsolete guides we will just accumulate methods that were viable at one point in RS history but aren't any more (picking flax, anyone?). These methods often lose viability for good reason, such as long term decline in the value of outputs which is unlikely to reverse, or an update which renders a method obsolete. For example, the oak plank method is especially poor now due to the existence of plank makers and [[Money_making_guide/Killing_Automaton_Tracers|killing Automaton Tracers]] is awful because pneumatic gloves have dropped in value precipitously. In the very unlikely event that these methods somehow became relevant again, it would take seconds for an an admin to reverse the deletion. Gangsterls (talk) 08:59, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Support - I support the core idea of not deleting the guides. While admins could easily reverse a deletion, I believe RS:DDD applies. In terms of the method, I support either userspace archiving or creating a forum-like archive. Yes it’s true that certain methods will fall into a not viable category, due to the market. But just because something is viable for 3 months, doesn’t mean it won’t be in 6 months. RuneMetrics icon.png Tyler JarretTalkLight animica.png 13:35, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Further comment - Has anything started to dig through the guides and make sure they are updated and flagged them for “no-longer profitable?” RuneMetrics icon.png Tyler JarretTalkLight animica.png 13:35, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
RS:DDD only applies to discussions, and would therefore not apply here. jayden 13:43, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Opinion change/Now oppose: After some discussion on the Discord I have voted to change my vote to oppose. To quote Haidro,
MMGs are player-centric

Not technically "wiki-content", that you wish to be archived
We're documenting RuneScape here, not the RuneScape Wiki
We don't keep archives on gear stats pre-EoC, we replace them

— Haidro Discord (#meta-discussion)
With this in mind I oppose the archiving of MMG's. However relevant information can be move onto a particular item's page under trivia. e.g. "Picking flax was once a very profitable money maker for new players due to its high selling price." RuneMetrics icon.png Tyler JarretTalkLight animica.png 15:29, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - Some money making methods are just never going to be viable, and archiving them will probably cause confusion for the end user. jayden 13:43, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Oppose(I think) - I'm really bad at knowing when to use affirmative verbiage. But I agree that we should not archive a money making guide but rather delete it if is is clear that the guide will never be viable. Most of the time guides that have fallen out of value stay that way. So I say unless it is due to a glitch then delete the guide we can bring it back if we have too. jericowrahl (talk) 18:53, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - The MMGs aren't encyclopedic content, they're just there because they're useful. If a guide isn't (and is likely to never be) profitable, there's no point in having it. -Hourglass (2011 Hallowe'en event) detail.png I Am Me Talk III The Spark.png- 11:17, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Oppose - there's no purpose to having ineffective money making methods visible on the wiki. In the rare event of an obsolete money making guide becoming profitable again it can always be undeleted. Magic logs detail.pngIsobelJTalk page 19:24, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Oppose- per above. Guides are a specific case where they neither have historical significance if they are no longer relevant nor are they "discussions" Superiosity the WikianQuick chat button.png : Yo 03:30, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Closed - Outdated, ineffective MMGs will not be archived. If prices fluctuate enough that a guide becomes useful again, a request for undeletion may be made. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 01:07, 16 December 2018 (UTC)