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This thread was archived on 28 November 2008 by Azaz129.

I think it is time that we need another forumadmin, because right now we only have one, and that's not enough because one isn't on 24/7, and people need to check each other (quite a few complaints about that recently).

To do this, I think we should just either make all current bureaucrats forumadmins (my not-so-good idea), or have a Requests for forumadmin page, which could take place either here on the wiki or in the forums (maybe even in its own topic), where candidates would see if they meet the criteria of being active, civil, etc.

So, what do you all think? Butterman62 (talk) 14:03, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Definitely, there needs to be some checks and balances with this sort of power. Perhaps use both of your ideas? Ie, all current 'crats have forum admin status but in the future if any more are needed then they could apply separately. Dark cavalier.png Regabuh (talk) (contribs) 18:10, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
The problem is, only staff members can make people forumadmins. 19:12, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
I really don't think this is necessary yet. All forumadmins can do that is greater than the power of a normal sysop is create stickies, announcements, global announcements, and polls. Since the forums are currently in beta, we shouldn't go about adding more until they are fully developed. Dtm142 22:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I think there should be another forum admin. I like the idea Request for forum admin --Reyna jane 23:36, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

I think there should be some sort of balance in power, especially after this (also see this). Dictatorship didn't work for the Nazis, it won't work for us.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 16:09, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Why not just make all administrators forum admins?--Richardtalk 18:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
That would make more sense, but only staff can create forumadmins. I personally think that all normal users should be able to create poll threads as well, if that's possible. However, the forums are in beta and we do not yet know the full extent of forumadmin power. Dtm142 18:42, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
Perhaps once the forums are out of beta, however I think we need another user to try and keep the balance on the forums. I've heard many people complain about the forums lately and after we get this sorted out, we're gong to have to at least consider some sort of checks and balances system where one person's decisions can not go unquestioned or unchallenged.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 21:36, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
You do realize that any sysop can block and unblock on the forums... There is no power imbalance. As I said earlier, the only additional things forumadmins can currently do that other sysops cannot do is create stickies, annoucements, global announcements, and polls. As far as I know, I haven't done anything even remotely controversial related to the forumadmin powers. Dtm142 22:03, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Cough* I think we should keep that discussion for your talk page and off the yew grove, or else you'll just go ahead and immediately block me without warning (that's not a personal attack, you can't sue me, it was actually a joke because I said "lets keep it off the yew grove" and then kept... ok I ruined it... why am I still typing in parentheses?). But yeah that's true, but we should still have another person to help create a poll or sticky or something in case you're not there.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 01:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
Well... Do you have to be a forum admin to lock threads? I thought that anyone can except normal users that have not got any status... Is this true or do you have to be a fourm admin? Wintumber tree.png C0ngratz406 (talk) Santa hat detail.png
All sysops can lock threads. Dtm142 18:20, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

Butterman this is a splendid idea! but not just another forum admin. I think 2 or 3 more. And when it comes to banning people from the forum the rules should be modified to allow the users to choose if the user is banned or not. Obviuosly if it is spam or Making Threats then they should be banned ASAP... this should be a main issue now. is the idea dead? or what is happenning with it? God Of War 01:21, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

I noticed in your post DTM u did not want anymore admins, i cant for the life of me understand why. Beta or not this forum needs to be handled. Last night there was a post ( about dragons ) it so needed to go but no one around to lock it. You cant be here 24/7 i understand that but why not have a couple of people just to watch this forum.--Reyna jane 02:44, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Which is why there are 44 other sysops. As far as I'm concerned, no polls, stickies, announcements, or global announcements needed to be created or edited. Dtm142 23:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

i found a perfect solution to our forum problem! Moderators! They would be able to lock and edit.. not ban... this way dtm and all the administration and crats can be the ones checking that the mods are doing their job. This way it is not the responsibility of the administrators or crats to make sure something in the forum is acceptable or not. The administration would only be able to lock ban and edit in the forum if there is somthing like porno etc... or if a mod has gone in a rampage. I can go more into depth with better details if needed. good idea? bad idea? modify it change it God Of War 16:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Honestly you guys what Dtm has been saying the whole time is that SYSOPS HAVE ALL THE POWERS GoW JUST LISTED! The only extra power admins have is the power to make stickies and such.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 21:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

the sysops sometimes abuse there power... is it really that funny to see a sysop war over locking and unlocking while no one else can do a thing? What i mention is not to take the sysops powers away but to create a new entity. One which will be chosen in the forum for the purpose of monotiring editing and locking thats it... No banning or explaining rules. Admin is not on 24/7 there needs to be more regulation and checks of power. Admin/sysops have been messing around to much. Dtm has been doing his job but has leaned to include personal opinions ( this is what i think) also he is not on all the time and usually there is no one to monitor the forum at certain times of the day. God Of War 22:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

It isn't technically possible to do that. If there was consensus to do so, it should be done. But since I'm not a Wikia developer, I can't just whip out new custom usergroups from my sleeve. Dtm142 23:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I agree that there should be at least one other forumadmin. There is no reason why there should only be one forumadmin. Piscesvisionary 23:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Is there any reason why there should be more than one? Dtm142 01:15, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

yes there are many reasons... One is some of the current sysops like to play around with the privilage they have. Another is your not on the forum all day everyday.... and maybe the moderator thing can be implemented somehow... like the rollback rights on the wikia maybe? if the forum is in php coding or whatever its called... there is ranks.... im not much of an expert on code that isnt html but maybe we can implement something. The forum is in beta so it is never to late to change things. But it is crucial that a new forum admin(s) are implemented ASAP or a way to put in moderators. Dtm would you accept if it were possible to implement the forum moderators? God Of War 02:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I do not have access to the coding of the forums. I cannot implement ranks at the moment. I know that I'm not on the forums all day, but there is little need for anyone else to have the tools that I have. So far, I feel I have been diligent in creating stickies, announcements, global announcements, and polls (that is all the forumadmin group can do that surpasses the power of a normal sysop).
If the issue is sysops "playing around with their powers", I hardly see how giving forum moderator powers to even less qualified users will solve it. Dtm142 23:45, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

we really need some check to power of the admin. if moderators wont be implemented. Admin and sysops should not be allowed to make up random rules. i would also like to add that there should not be any rules that discriminate on certain people be it for grammar race education status etc.... the forums need alot of working on.... God Of War 05:01, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

We are not randomly adding new rules. We are actually having a vote on the grammar rule. It seems that you're just upset that you're losing the vote. Stop being such a sore loser. Dtm142 18:25, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
Now, now Dtm that's not behaviour I'd expect from a crat... Well actually it is but you don't seem to accept it when I do that so...Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 23:17, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

having a vote does not mean the vote will become rule... im a sore looser? do you have any idea how much that pissde me off? you should be banned... im offended and i am having a hard time not making a personal attack against you too dtm... we need more admin... just forum admin dtm and stinkowing are banning there counter parts. especially dtm he is banning people he does not agree with... we need admin. Ilyas could and should be one of them... but there should be others chosen in and by the forum users. God Of War 17:49, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Whether or not it becomes a rule, know that the community, both those with and without sysop powers gave input. I'm sorry that offended you, but you really were ignoring the fact that we had a vote and discussion on it. Instead, you said that "Admin and sysops should not be allowed to make up random rules." It may also interest you that the grammar rule was not proposed by a sysop. For the longest time, I was even against a grammar rule. It was your aggressive posts that caused me to become a strong supporter. Every post of yours makes me see more and more how desperately we need grammar rules. I thank you for providing that service to the forums. I will admit it, I do ban people who I disagree with: I disagree with users breaking forum rules. If other users were to become admins, a failure to ban a disruptive user is clear indication that they are not qualified for adminship.
I'm still awaiting that gramatically correct explaination as to how I'm abusing my powers, as well as why we need more users who can make stickies, announcements, and global announcements. Dtm142 23:37, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
Dtm, I kind of disagreed when you said, when you said "If other users were to become admins, a failure to ban a disruptive user is clear indication that they are not qualified for adminship". I don't think that's necessarily true. There are often times when someone considered someone else disruptive and banned them, but assumed bad faith. Sometimes, at least in my opinion, admins (as well as others) can just back off. In fact, sometimes it's necessary. Butterman62 (talk) 01:04, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Dtm, I hate to say this, and I don't mean to offend you (just so you don't go ahead and block me right off the bat), but you are acting quite immature with your "I'm waiting for a grammatically correct..." blah blah blah. Is this another way for you to try to manipulate other users' opinions against your opponent? Also, I'm still waiting for you to unblock me.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 17:12, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Ilyas, you've been unblocked. I am sick of weeding through 3000+ byte quipps of his that say "admin is abusing there powr" without any reasoning behind them. He has said that he's cabable of using proper grammar, and he should if he wants me to take him seriously. I've requested that, and I'm going to get it if he is to be taken seriously. Dtm142 19:00, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks XD.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 19:22, 8 November 2008 (UTC)