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This thread was archived on 11 August 2009 by Azaz129.

Tonight, someone in the CC mentioned that the new Harry Potter movie is coming soon, which sparked a discussion about the seventh book. I have read books one through six, but not seven. So when two certain-users-I-will-not-mention started mentioning how the book ends, I warned them not to spoil the ending. However, they ignored me and kept at it, even after a second and third warning. After the third, they finally got the hint and stopped, but by then, I had heard lots of info that spoiled the book for me. I'm proposing a rule that disallows spoilers for books, movies, games, and other such things where applicable.

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For the two of you who spoiled Harry Potter 7 for me and the rest of the CC who haven't read it: not a smart move. And you KNOW who you are! 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 02:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose: Stinko along it isnt about game/leaks it doesnt harm =P-- Defence Waterkunai1 Talk # fluffy bunniesArmadyl symbol.png 03:02, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment Yes it does. This isn't about being banned from releasing Jagex info. It's much more minor than Jagex info, yes, but it's still rude to reveal spoilers. Would YOU want spoilers for something YOU wanted to be surprised for? Think about it. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 03:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Comment I wouldn't mind at all.

Skull.pngDiaruga001Ancient talisman.png 03:12, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment But some people like Stinko and Me mind reading angels and demons but how would like it if some one leaked something that you were reading/watching Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 03:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
I have to agree. It ruins the whole thing and you might as well not buy it or waste time reading/watching it. You probably don't mind because you have not been a victim yet, but it can be annoying to waste all the time watching/reading it only to find that it has been spoiled in less than 10 seconds of reading/hearing the ending somewhere else.Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 03:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose: Jeez its just a book. =P Skull.pngDiaruga001Ancient talisman.png 03:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment It doesn't matter. I wanted to be surprised when I read it, but those two users RUINED the ending for me. That's not fair in the slightest. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko) 03:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - I can see how this can be annoying, but making it a rule... That's where the ignore list could come in, but that's really a worthless argument. So, I'm not much inclined either way... I do see how this can be a nuisance, however. Just not major enough for a rule, or sommething like that. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 03:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Considering the fact that the book has been out for nearly 2 years, I highly disagree that it should be considered spoiling the ending. In my opinion, the users should have stopped or taken it to another chat when you requested the discussion cease. The only true spoilers that we outlaw should be info regarding newly released quests and that should only be for 2 weeks maximum--Quest point hood.png Bigm2793Talk Quest point cape.png 03:11, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I think that any rule relating to spoilers will be too open to interpretation so it would just be useless. It would be much easier just to add them to your ignore list if they wont stop talking if you ask them to stop.Unicorn horn dust.png Evil Yanks talk 03:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Are you fucking kidding me? Making rules to save you from hearing a spoiler about a book? How would it be any different if you were to just walk into varrock and happen to hear players talking about the ending of said book, would you report them and demand they be quiet? This is like all of the other rules people have submitted before, its plain ridiculous and unnecessary since the UTP and clan chat rules cover any real type of abuse. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 03:35, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Although it can be quite annoying when you want to have something not being spoiled, but it just doesn't sound like a good policy. Although the wiki is separate from ingame, RuneScape:Spoiler policy sums up my opinions. Maybe I don't want to read up on what happens during a quest, but it is here, and as hard as you may try to avoid it, it may just pop up when you don't expect it to. ~MuzTalk 03:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Per Muzzy Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 03:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm changing my vote might now no way no how i want to know the end of Angels and Demons so now my vote is Support Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 23:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - If there is something in the CC being said that you don't want to hear, just leave. Alternatively you can PM the other person raising your concerns or even use your ignore list. There are many simple solutions that can prevent issues like this. cflm (talk) 05:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - per Evil Yanks and others. --Quarenon  Talk 05:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Per others. If you don't want the spoilers just leave. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 11:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose per Catcrewser. ShinyUnown T | C | E 11:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Weak Support per Stinko - What if you don't know people are talking about HP6 by the time it's spoiled for you? Not everyone who watches the HP movies has read the books. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 11:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Weak support - Sure you can use ignore list, but what if a sudden outburst of "OMG did you know voldemort almost killed harry potter and gave him the scar?" Your first reaction may be to read what it says and it would be too late. :( Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 12:06, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - I don't like books being spoiled for me either, but to make it into a rule?  Tien  12:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - Sounds right but no need for it as a rule. Just ask them to stop spoiling it. Runecrafting.gif Mo 55 55 Talk|Sign 14:16, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, by the time they spoil it, it would be too late to ask them not to. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 14:20, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I was there when this "happened" and I know I didn't see multiple warnings, nor did I even see anything get "spoiled." I think that if you felt they were ignoring you and you wanted them to stop and they didn't, then you should have left. Christine 21:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about making a whole rule on it, but spoiling something for someone else is definitely not a nice thing to do. It should be common sense for the person telling the spoilers to just plain not spoil them. I'm not saying that that's reason to have nothing on the matter, because common sense seems to be a rare commodity in this era. I think it should be included in the "don't be a dick" genre of Clan Chat no-noes. Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!I have 12 friends. 21:41, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah. Although I agree the concept, I don't think we need a specific rule about it. Christine 21:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Indeed. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 22:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Support Chia's suggestion. Although it would be more a guideline then a rule - someone giving quest tips could count as a spoiler too, so we can't "blanket ban" it. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 23:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

support - I usualy dislike the addition of new cc rules, but this is the kind of thing that can only be stopped before it is to late (eg you can't kick somebody for spoiling once they have already done it, senceless and not a great reason to kick.) now I have to reed all of harry potter, I would hate it if it was spoiled 0_o. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 13:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Let's start kicking people for activating the chat filter, while we start putting this rule into effect.

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23:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Sure it is inconsiderate to do such a thing, but a rule is just too much. Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 02:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - per Blade Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 06:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - The Clan Chat is for users to discuss and chat about all sorts of topics. While I understand where you're coming from when you say that they ruin it for you, you can't honestly expect people not to discuss a book (e.g. the 1st Harry Potter book), just because someone is in the process of reading it. If they're discussing it, I think it would be best to ask that they not discuss it as you're still reading the book, but if they persist, either add them to your ignore list or just leave the clan chat. C.ChiamTalk 08:23, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - *Cough* ... Why didn't you just leave the CC? FredeTalk 10:56, 16 July 2009 (UTC)


Proposal - changeing to slight oppose. how about we encourage that people do not spoil, but will not kick anyone who does. --Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 13:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I would consider this if and only if it applied only to new releases. I'd still say no, but I'd consider it. I add this here to encourage discussion of this idea. Also, feel free to leave the CC. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:44, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

To add to this, there are topics of discussion I don't like for much more serious reasons (don't ask) that crop up from time to time in the CC. I leave. I recommend this course of action to anyone else. JalYt-Xil-Vimescarrot 20:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
I found something out with the "New releases" some movies are based on books so they might be talking about the book which now has a movie meaning the same thing Talking about Angel's and Demon's Twig Talk 772kZGs.png 04:41, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Strong Support - I have no tolorance for the type of douchebagery that is spoiling plots. For people who actualy care about boks, movies etc. this is a HUGE deal. If people wan't spoilers, keep it in pm. If alot of people want spoilers, then give everyone in the cc fair warning so they can either ignore you or leave teh chat for a few minutes. I know its hard for some people to understand, but the level this bothers many people on is pretty imense as this can ruin an excellent story. RandoxTalk 01:11, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I realise that revealing spoilers can be annoying and even malicious if intentionally done, its not the type of thing we need a rule for. Also HP7 was released ages ago. Its quite surprising how you managed to go this far without having heard it already. If you didn't want to hear ending details, you should have left the CC or ignored the users. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 15:40, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - The scenario laid out above is not an example of "spoiling" as I understand the term. Back when "spoiler" began to be used in the bulletin board days, it referred to something not yet general public knowledge. For example, if a camera man on Survivor, and told people the loser of the episode just before the show aired, they would have spoiled the episode. However, when some friends discuss an episode on Friday (it airs on Thursday) that I taped and planned to watch over the weekend, they are not spoiling it. When I pick up on the topic, I can request they stop, or at least wait for me to leave, but they do nothing unreasonable by discussing old news. Discussion of a book which has been out for two years (it was published in 2007), though it may give away the ending to one who has not yet read it, is not a spoiler. It is two people discussing old news. Would it be reasonable for me to stop a discussion of the Wizard of Oz, or Old Yeller because I have not read them yet?

Even a true spoiler rule is likely to be a failure because how long after release is reasonable. For a movie - a month? What about people who wait until the DVD is out? DVD+1 month? Do books get more time or less? What about TV shows, books, current sporting events, . . .? This just feels like a large problem that should be handled with courtesy, not a rule. In the above, it seems to me based only of the very little above, that the two nameless ones should have allowed the objector a small amount of time to leave the chat before continuing. The author should have left to allow others a reasonable discussion of something generally considered commonly known at this point. RumplePug 00:01, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Brilliant, you said it perfectly. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 04:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Support I think this should be a rule for very recent releases, or for something that hasn't been released in another country yet, such as spoiling a new episode of Doctor Who when it hasn't aired in the US. Kevin-020 15:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Sorry, but if you don't want to hear the spoilers, just leave the cc till the discussion is over. Jdogy15 00:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Ah the infamous quote:

Can we stop adding lame rules and just tell people to act mature?

--— Enigma 10:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Closed - No rule against spoilers will be implemented.--

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