Forum:Announcing a wiki round table

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In the last board meeting the idea of possibly doing a round table type meeting on a per wiki basis was brought up. The idea is that anyone can drop in too discuss projects they're currently working on or planning, to bring up new ideas, make suggestions or anything else wiki related. Of course those working on projects on other wikis, which the RS3 wiki may benefit from are more than welcome to join. Hopefully it will provide a quick way to get feedback and generate new ideas. Anyone is welcome to join in, or just listen in!

This is sort of a pilot to test the waters and see how it goes, if it catches on we may do it on a more regular basis and also for the other wikis.

The round table will start at 21:00 (9pm) UTC on Saturday May 29th (21:00, 29 May 2021 (UTC)) in the general voice and #voice-txt channels on the discord. I will be on for at least an hour, and hopefully longer if there's interest. In the event that you can't make it yourself, feel free to add topics for discussion bellow.

Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 13:29, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Pre Discussion

Hype - I unfortunately won't be able to make it, but super excited to see what comes from this. Is there a plan to release meeting notes regarding this? Perhaps we can use the RS: namespace (for notes, general info?) in the future if this kicks off and is super successful? --Legaia2Pla · ʟ · 13:25, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I am going to try to provide at least basic notes on what was discussed, perhaps I can find someone willing to take more detailed notes, it would be nice. I also intend to add things discussed to relevant wiki project pages/talk pages (I think people tend to forget we have RuneScape:Maintenance and RuneScape:Maintenance/Project ideas) and possibly also discord channels where relevant. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 09:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

I should be able to make it! Yurple (talk) 15:21, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Closed - The wiki round table took place. Bug Elessar2 for any notes. :) --Legaia2Pla · ʟ · 21:49, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Reopening to also use this thread for notes. Depending how it is might end up doing the same as board meetings with separate threads. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 13:16, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Meeting notes

In progress projects

Elessar has made it possible to add the interactive images from newsposts to the wiki. This just needs the sysadmins to approve new file type to put in place. Jagex have only used this a couple of times so far.

Blackhawk has been working on Jmod pages, especially for members of the art team. We now have the ability to generate lists of their work on their pages based off categories. There is still art that needs to be attributed to artists but this is difficult - may be possible based on handwriting.

Blade has been working on unarchived references and backing them up using archive.is. This is good maintenance work and should be completed for all the categories of reference (e.g. Category:Unarchived web references).

Blackhawk has been working on an infobox for sets of equipment (Template:Infobox Set). May be better as module. Following Forum:Equipped Armour Images and subsequent OSWF task on obtaining female images, equipped item image naming should be standardised (including set ones). Isobel also moved some of the set pages but probably not all of them, and many are missing. Could be good project to make/standardise these pages.

Isobel has been looking at the article maintenance categories (currently Category:Obsolete) and running OSWF tasks to clear them. A lot of pages relating to lore - may need to set up a specific project for these? It could potentially be a OSWF, but would need a clear guide on wiki policies regarding sourcing/speculation. Maybe possible to collaborate with lore community/RS official discord. Blackhawk has started making skill planners (Calculator:Skill planners) - these were a missing feature that was requested in our last survey.

A recent OSWF task was the creation of pages for all Jagex videos/livestreams. Sir Veylantz made most of these and made some initial transcripts for the YouTube videos based on its automatic transcription. Next step will be to go through these and fix up formatting and any transcription errors. An issue is that twitch livestreams are lost over time; Jagex upload some streams to their YouTube channel but not all off them.

Upcoming projects

Blackhawk has been working on scenery pages; at the moment he is creating a spreadsheet/list of all the pages to be created which could be used to run a OSWF task in the future.

Imminent thread closure regarding infoboxes. This is looking likely to result in consensus to move to having standardised infoboxes (npc/item/scenery) at the side of the page and additional content-specific information contained in a secondary infobox on the page - this has already been implemented on rock pages for an example. Salix proposes that these be called databoxes. Elessar will need to update the hit calculator for monsters if this is also applied to {{Infobox Monster new}}.

Character rework is still upcoming and will require a large amount of images to be retaken. ETA from upcoming updates page is July. Recent livestream showed that NPC chatheads will be affected as well as player character chatheads.

Project ideas/not in progress

We do not have a model viewer to obtain images. Windwakr was working on one previously but it loads entities not individual models - it could be worth reaching out to them to see if they want help to progress it? Adam (Sahima) created a viewer but textures on older models are missing materials/lighting needs work. The bestiary/a-log viewer that Jagex had on their website has been broken for a long time and they haven’t fixed it.

Cosmetic override pages could use a better set up. Images are contained in galleries so it is not easy to track which are missing. The infobox (Template:Infobox Skin) hasn’t been updated over time and things such as having the main image be the icon (which now isn’t applicable for most overrides) don’t work well for overrides overall. It would be helpful to add IDs to the pages but this is complicated as pages are based on sets, with each component having its own ID. May need to check if the infobox would need alteration to support that.

Cartographers/int map project. Category:Needs map is very full - this is still being added by default when map parameter of infoboxes is not filled out, maybe helpful to update to a category of missing interactive map. Many NPCs not on the surface level are missing maps. Also a lot of music tracks - OSRS has a map of track unlock locations that Joey created. Having the same on rsw would be ideal but seems like music works differently in RS3. Some have unlock locations but others are automatically unlocked. Cartographers extension doesn’t support using different geojson properties (color, fill etc) at the moment, which is a bug with our Kartographer extension.

A large number of pages are in Category:Needs ID. Mix of NPCs/items/scenery. May be a good OSWF task.

Changes to our pvm/monster strategy guides are one of the most requested improvements to the wiki. Had a recent discussion - gear recommendations in particular need work to make them better for lower level/beginner players. If we could get centralised pages for gear recommendations set up then strategy guides could focus on any specific gear requirements and tactics. Maybe a collaboration with a boss learning clan/group could get this set up?

Tracking/categorisation for missing chatheads and DIIs is difficult due to them not being included in infoboxes. Recent discussion around this rejected idea of inclusion of infoboxes - is there another solution?

MMGs were another feature of the wiki where users requested improvement (Forum:2019 survey results). Have run a OSWF task to try and retest guides - led of some deletions and tweaking of rates. Making low/negative profit methods not show up on the main MMG pages would be an improvement.

Drop tables are also commonly requested. We have data but it requires maths skills to interpret and add to the wiki. We tried this as a OSWF before but it wasn’t very successful. Way forward here may be for Cook to write some kind of guide on how to convert the data.

How can we better keep track of project ideas in a way where interested new editors might see them? The current page needs an update. We have good resources on how to edit, but not what people can edit. Seems people tend to keep their own to do lists rather than combine them on the wiki. Had a discussion recently in rs-cabal about the main page and whether it could be revamped to focus more on encouraging people to edit (also to fix some formatting gripes). Previous discussions about changing mainpage content have not been successful but perhaps a mock-up of a new design might be convincing. Perhaps we could use a better system to track projects - Kanban? Trello? Look at Extension:SemanticActions.

Post Discussion

Notes have been added, courtesy of Isobel. Feel free to add to them (if you attended) or discuss bellow. Seers headband 2 chathead.png Elessar2 (talk) 13:16, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Feedback: (I’m writing this on mobile so it may be a disaster)

The notes are amazing! Isobel is it possible to structure the notes into headers? Right now it feels a bit jumbled, also is there any media to attach? If so would be awesome to see it! Talk to me ShaunyMy contributions 08:56, 4 June 2021 (UTC)