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This should be a quick YG thread (less than 7 days), because if we don't react quickly we might need to do a lot of work changing back. Should we add 10th anniversary cake and 10th anniversary candles to the drop tables of monsters like here?

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Oppose adding them - It would cost a lot of work changing it back after the event, and as not all goblins drop the anniversary stuff, it's not always true. This would require so much work for only a temporary thing, i suggest we should remove the additions of those items immediately, because that would require a LOT less checking work. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 01:01, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Add them - But of course use a footnote to indicate that it was only during the event. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 01:02, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion - We could add them, and also include them in a category such as Category:Monsters who drop Anniversary items, and once the event is over just have a bot remove them all in a quick sweep. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 02:14, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, yes, we can add something like {{#switch:{{lc:{{{item}}}}}|10th anniversary cake|10th anniversary candle|10th anniversary candles=[[Category:Drops anniversary items]]|}} JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 08:55, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
After reading what Psycho put said I oppose my suggestion. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 22:29, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per Psycho, with the footnote. Andrew talk 02:45, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Add them - Obviously, this is important information, so we need to add it to the drop tables when it is active. That being said, since this is a one-time deal, it would be silly to maintain the drop table entry and footnote indefinitely. Therefore, I think that we should follow Psycho's plan right now, during the event, and remove them from the drop tables and add the information in sentence form to the article once they are removed. We should never neglect information because we are afraid of work. --LiquidTalk 02:49, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

"We should never neglect information because we are afraid of work." That's what i said(not exactly, but something similar) at drop logs and i got a wall of opposes... JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 08:55, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
Drop logs are different because it's not "information" unless it's accurate, which it will not be for the foreseeable future. This, on the other hand, is 100% guaranteed to be accurate. --LiquidTalk 01:00, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Support adding and removing when "event" is over - Psycho and Zamorak's ideas. 222 talk 02:52, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

What Psycho said - HaloTalk 03:30, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Per Psycho. bad_fetustalk 14:53, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Just to be clear to all those who are supporting per me, I don't think that they should ever be removed from the drop log. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 08:58, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

I think they should be removed, and in the trivia it should be mentioned. If they don't drop the things anymore it is kinda misinforming people if we place it in the drop tables. I know we can have a footnote, but still it is a little bit misinforming. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 09:56, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
I also don't think they should ever be removed. The footnote says they were only dropped during the event anyways, and removing them after the event would be removing information, which is unhelpful. bad_fetustalk 16:24, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
Not removing but moving. You move it to the trivia. I think it is also not useful information if it is removed. If you are looking for drops of, say, Moss giants, you see it drops anniversary candles, and then see it doesn't drop it anymore. You will be like "wtf? it is listed as drop but it doesn't drop it". Not many people are as much interested in history. They are much more interesting in the current drops, which is not those 2 items if they got removed. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 18:01, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose keeping post-event - For the same reason I oppose keeping images of NPCs at the Heimland games on their respective articles. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 21:38, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

I can understand not keeping images as they were just wearing a stupid looking hat or something, but this is actual quantitative data concerning what they did and did not drop. You can't really compare it to an NPC looking slightly different during an event, as the drops are very rigid, did or did not, kind of data. Leaving out that info makes no more sense than leaving out bone and skin drops from those odd old man quests. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 22:21, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
There's a major difference. Assume bones were removed from the game (that will never happen, but just assume). Would we keep that (nearly) every monster drops bones with an asterisk after it? No, the item no longer exists. It did, now it doesn't, so we don't keep it on the drop list. At the same time, quest item drops will be dropped by the monster forever, but only for those doing the quest. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:04, January 7, 2011 (UTC)
Actually, I'd still keep them. Anyways, what about adding a section like Former drops for things like that? bad_fetustalk 08:56, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
Again, that would be more obstructive to the page than the information is worth. Once the event is over, the only reason one would care about candle drops is if they are an RS history enthusiast. If I were an RS history enthusiast, I would go to the respective event articles for the candle drop info. Consequently, if I were not looking at the event articles, then I would not be an RS history enthusiast, and therefore not care about the candle drops at all. Thus, I consider candle drop info after the event as unneeded as bad trivia. I would settle for mentioning they used to drop candles in the trivia sections, though I would rather keep a list of monsters that dropped the candles on the event's article, where the information will still be relevant after the event. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 18:41, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose adding limited time items - Misleading, even with footnotes. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 21:41, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

I don't really see how it is misleading to tell someone exactly what was dropped, then explain to them that it was only during a certain timeframe. Surely it is more misleading not to tell them it was dropped at all? kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 22:21, January 6, 2011 (UTC)
I'm fine with trivia, but in drop table is misleading. Full Slayer Helmet! Evil1888 Talk A's L Dragon Platebody! 08:23, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Support adding + keeping - Per Psycho, makes sense to mention them. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 22:29, January 6, 2011 (UTC)

Mentioning is okay indeed. But he wants to keep them in the table. Don't you think that's misleading now? JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 15:44, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
If we use the additional notes parameter, we can say "Only dropped during 10th anniversary celebration", and I don't see how that is misleading. svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 20:19, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
It is misleading on the first sight. People will think "wtf is that, they don't drop that! Oh, hmm ok" and if you just clearly put it in one scentence it doesn't create confusion. Also, who cares if the monsters dropped them in a past? and if you care, why look at the monster page drop table, and not the event page or the trivia? What's so hard about looking at the trivia instead? it is confusing for people who don't care, and it is not more useful for people who do. I don't see the profit in
Add info only people which don't visit the page like
make tables more confusing for other visitors
????
PROFIT!
JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:21, January 9, 2011 (UTC)
And what if you never heard of the item? What's wrong with giving information again? bad_fetustalk 18:00, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
Then you would care even less. And if you care about that kind of trivia you would look at trivia not drop tables. I am not against giving information, i am against putting it in the tables. most people who look at the tables are looking for things it drops. Not things it used to drop. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:23, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Support adding + Removing afterwards - Per Joey. Freeze967 00:55 January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - Can we add them to the drop logs and remove them afterwards, but keep a reference to them in the text? I think a footnote would be insufficient to show people that they don't drop them anymore. ʞooɔ 01:52, January 7, 2011 (UTC)

Support adding - Definitely add them, but after the event's over, they should still be mentioned. I don't think we should keep them in the drop tables as it may seem like they still drop the items. But definitely keep a reference somewhere. Suppa chuppa Talk 05:43, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Support per Psycho - I got them from chickens in the Champions' Guild! User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:58, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Support add + then removal - Can we simply not make a subpage of anniversary candles to show what monsters dropped these, for after the event? LordDarkPhantom 08:55, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Imps, chickens, goblins, cows, a lesser demon, shady strangers (poison), zombies... that'll be a list. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 18:28, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I don't think delegating them to the trivia section makes any sense at all. Trivia is for miscellaneous information. This information is relating to the things they drop. We have a section with other things that they drop. I see no reason that we should not include this info with the other drop info. I would not have any problem with including a list of limited/restricted drops that contain things like the skin and bones from Fur 'n' Seek, holiday drops, and even things like clue scrolls, since all of those items have conditions for which they will be dropped. kitty.pngPsycho Robot talkSilver bar.png 20:52, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

there are not many items which are limited drops. The table would be so small it would only be one or two lines, which is not practical. Also, "This information is relating to the things they drop" no, the things they used to drop. The drops tables are for all possible drops the monster has. If we add candles/cakes, we actually mislead people as they think the tables are for the possible drops only, not the previous drops. After the event it is not a possible drop anymore, so should not be listed between possible drops. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 08:11, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose adding them - It's not necessary to change hundreds of pages for a simple thing like this. It's incorporated into a holiday event, therefore, a simple list of the monsters that may drop them on their individuals pages would do fine, with a strict explanation that those creatures only dropped them during the duration of the event. Besides, people are likely to look up 10th anniversary candle, over imp hoping it may drop them.

Bonziiznob Talk

21:17, January 9, 2011 (UTC)

Add them - But remove them when the event is over. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 00:36, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Mostly-neutral. Including anniversary candles and cakes in the drop tables of each monster that drops them seems like a tremendous amount of work for a small benefit. On the other hand, if I'm not doing said work, then the outcome would not negatively affect me at all. So do it if you want. Oh, and I'm strongly against keeping those items in the drop table after the event is over; that's just pure misinformation. --Andorin (Talk) (Contribs) 08:35, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose adding them - Bonziiznob has a point with his last sentence. While it is beneficial to have somewhere on the wiki where you can find what monsters drop the 10th anniversary candle or cake, it is not efficient to put them on the drop list of every monster page that drops them. If someone wants to find out more about what drops them, then they should be directed to the 10th Anniversary Candle/Cake page. Maybe we could expand what monsters drop them on those pages. It seems slightly more efficient than updating dozens of pages to add, and then to remove 10th Anniversary candles/cakes. Firelotus555 08:38, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - Bonzi said it. It's really not necesarry. — Enigma 04:10, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I think it is best to close this asap because it is about what happens now. I think the consensus is to add them, but remove them from the drops table after the event. {{closure}} JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 10:32, January 18, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - After closely examining all of the above arguments, it seems that there really isn't consensus on this issue. However, I don't really understand the people who are opposing per the fact that it would take too much work to add them now and then remove them after. As such, if there is anyone who wants to do this, go ahead - just make sure that they are off when the event is over. Ajraddatz 16:50, January 22, 2011 (UTC)