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This thread was archived on 8 May 2019 by Haidro.

I'm proposing an amendment to RS:STYLE on naming conventions for families and battles/attacks. There currently doesn't seem to be any, and it looks like this has led to some inconsistencies. For example, there are several articles on families and, while we know the proper names of some non-human families from in-game text (House Drakan and Crwys Clan are properly named), the same can't be said for all of them. Many articles are just titled after the surname (see Bonde or Fitzharmon), while others are "surname" + "family" (like Carnillean family). I'd propose that the proper convention for when the family is not given a certain way in text should be "surname" + "family". This is the way Wikipedia does it (see Bush family) and it's the most logical too. We're not writing an article on the history of the general surname, the article is on the family.

The other odd thing I noticed is battles that are unnamed in texts. Most of the time, the entire title is capitalized as a proper name, but this doesn't always make sense. Bonde Farm Massacre shouldn't be in all-caps. This massacre isn't a proper name, it was just a small event that happened, and it should be stylized as such. It should properly be "Bonde farm massacre" (yes, I moved it yesterday to Bonde Farm massacre, before I realized how many battles were inconsistent, and I just realized now that "farm" shouldn't be capitalized either). There are inconsistencies in this category too, like Sixth Age conflict vs. Sea Slug Conflicts. I understand that events like the Ardougne Revolution are fully capitalized, but others like the Wizards' Tower Robbery really shouldn't be. There's a gray area here, and I'm not sure exactly how to word my intentions of what events constitute proper names, but I think we can use common sense to deduce which events are and which aren't. I'll try to narrow down the specific wording if this gains support though.

I would've gone ahead and just done it, but I think this probably requires a discussion, considering it's changing an unspoken policy.

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Support - as nominator. ɳex undique 17:19, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Support for both - Full support for the "surname" + "family" part. I don't really get your second point though - which policy would you like for the capitalization of events? Could you explain in more detail perhaps. Sinister clown face chathead (male).png Tzar Talk 01:20, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Comment - With the explanation provided by both Salix of Prifddinas and Nex Undique, I now also support your second point. Sinister clown face chathead (male).png Tzar Talk 00:09, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Support (both parts) - What Tzar said - Rawny (talk) 01:32, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Comment/Update - Thanks for the clarification (Salix and Nex) ^^ - Rawny (talk) 00:34, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Support - Same as Tzar. As to the capitalisation of events, I think Nex means to have the proper name capitalised, but the "event" part (for a lack of a better word) not, e.g. "Sixth Age" + "conflict". Correct me if I'm wrong though. Farming-icon.png Salix of Prifddinas (Talk) Prifddinas lodestone icon.png 03:15, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, maybe it made more sense in my head but that's what I meant. The lead in Wikipedia:Naming conventions (capitalization) is a good example of what I meant. If it's a proper noun, capitalize it. If not, don't. Like how on wikipedia, the page for the 1975 LaGuardia Airport bombing capitalizes the proper noun "LaGuardia Airport," but not the "bombing." ɳex undique 04:34, 21 April 2019 (UTC)

Support/Question - Support for "Surname family" where not explicitly something else ie, UCS, "Crwys clan" doesn't get changed to "Crwys family" because of this policy. Also support the proper-noun capitals else lower style for battles/events, eg "Sixth Age conflict". Question, though, and I'm not totally sure it applies to anything in-game but a real world example would be "Battle of the Bulge" in which case battle is capitalized. I assume that would be stylized just as I wrote it because it would probably be an explicitly named event versus something like "the theft of the Falador statue" which is more of a description of a minor event than a named event?  RS AdvLogMyles Prower  Talk 15:22, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Closed - Above proposals have been added as a paragraph to RS:STYLE#TITLES. It seems like the war/battle discussion's consensus is "don't capitalise the improper nouns", which is by default how we do page titles anyway, so there's nothing new to add. HaidroH rune.pngEagle feather 3.pngCandle (blood red).png 1XqyDNM.png Crystal triskelion fragment 3.pngHazelmere's signet ring.png 07:26, 8 May 2019 (UTC)