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Welcome Notice Proposal (Old thread)

I think one problem is a lack of people in the clan chat. I think there are two ways to help this. One was done for a while, but I think it should be continued-adding it back to the sitenotice/cornernotice, whatever we're calling it now. The other would be adding a line about the clan chat into both the IP and user welcomes along the lines of "Questions, comments, suggestions, just want to talk? Join clan chat "R S Wikia"." Discuss, HaloTalk 18:11, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - I don't think IP's have a welcome, and the user welcomes are too long that I don't think very many people bother to read them. I think the best way is to put it somewhere where it shows up on every page, but the logistics haven't worked themselves out yet. --LiquidTalk 18:21, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

IPs do in fact have a welcome, and user welcomes were cleaned up a while back, this is actually something interesting to read. No one will read "editing tips" because they don't care, but seeing clan chat...will make people want to read it. HaloTalk 18:37, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

User welcome:

  • FAQ = probably read by some
  • Policies = are you kidding me? Let's remove this, at least from the top
  • Style guide = read by a few, but really, we could remove this too
  • UOL = really? I mean unless this starts back up, it doesn't need to be on there
  • Custom Userpages = Most users don't even know what userpages are...we could remove this as well
  • Sig guidelines/req a sig = start it off with req a sig and it's okay.
  • AR/UH = this one is okay, maybe start it with user requests

Discussion (Old thread)

The point is...the majority of these aren't read. If we just left FAQ, Req a sig, UH/AR, and then added my join the clan chat line. I imagine a ton more people would read it, get more people in the clan chat, where all of the help up there ^^ can easily be provided to anyone who actually wants to know it. And more if necessary. Clan chat is the fastest way to get answers, so it should be more important than the other things up there. HaloTalk 20:26, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps make a new thread? Or just be bold   Swizz Talk   Events!   20:37, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure people would jump down my throat for that. I don't feel that it deserves a whole new thread, just a new section. It is related. HaloTalk 20:39, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
The UOL part needs to stay, or the project would effectively be over. We discovered that having in-game lessons wasn't working, so the lessons are there just to be read, then they can contact a teacher for assistance. If we can't get the message out to new users that the lesson pages exist, it's not helping anyone. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 23:41, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
You don't need a thread for every single minor detail. I don't think the last Welcome Notice change had a thread. As long as the changes are within reason, it is fine. --LiquidTalk 02:00, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
I think UOL is a great idea. But it needs some new life as a project to go anywhere. If it's not going anywhere, we mine as well just archive the lessons somewhere and delete the rest of it. HaloTalk 18:44, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - That really sounds overly like an advertisement. You could just add a bullet point to the welcome saying "Our clan chat" or "Information about our clan chat" (and have it link) or something like that. Matt (t) 23:38, December 19, 2010 (UTC)

I mean, we are advertising it, sure. But it just seems intrusive. Matt (t) 23:40, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
If by intrusive you mean a good way to get more people into chat I agree with you. Which is exactly what I'm going for. HaloTalk 05:22, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
I can just imagine an ad on tv where some guy in a really obnoxious is yelling this. "QUESTIONS?!?! COMMENTS?!?! SUGGESTIONS?!?! JUST WANT TO CHAT?!?! JOIN CLAN CHAT "R S Wikia"!!!!!!!!!!!" Don't become a merch clan spammer Halo, just don't. Smile Matt (t) 05:26, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
But then the guy who says that must either look like this or this, of course. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 11:14, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
Spamming would only be if the welcome notice had it 2-4 times. 1 is good. 5+ is just being a moron. =D HaloTalk 18:32, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - User welcomes are much too bloated and I've been thinking about shrinking my personal one, shortening the welcomes would increase the chances of people actually reading them, thus improving the transfer of information. 222 talk 00:31, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Support updating welcome notice - Per Halo JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 11:14, December 20, 2010 (UTC)


Support updating welcome notice - It needs condensing to the basics.   Swizz Talk   Events!   17:51, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Strong oppose - Just because you didn't bother reading it doesn't mean that nobody does. I don't mind you adding your line wherever you want, but I do mind you removing useful links. bad_fetustalk 20:53, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - I have never honestly cared for the Welcoming messages nor did I ever read anything in them when Bonzi posted it on my talk page exactly two years ago this day. If any [[MediaWiki:Welcomecreation|changes]] are to be made, they should also be reflected on [[MediaWiki:Welcome-message-user|this MediaWiki page]] should Wikia's bot be [[MediaWiki:Welcome-enabled|changed]] from [[MediaWiki:Welcome-message-anon|@disabled]] in [[MediaWiki:Welcome-user|it's]] own [[MediaWiki:Welcome-user-page|MediaWiki]] messages. While I didn't read the links given at the time, and now that they are capable of being removed by the user as they don't count for RS:DDD, RuneScape:Policies should be kept as to keep or help strengthen the position that the user should have now read all policies for this particular wiki. Frequently asked questions are the scum of the earth, why have it? Because some users want more trivial answers to their questions, although I don't like FAQ on any wiki even if it is in the project namespace. I do agree that the CC needs to be advertised more often as to make it a larger known portion of this wiki. We could leave it in the SiteNotice/Community Messages along with the IRC link forever, however some would argue that this isn't necessary as it's off-site. Last are the userpages. If we say that users do not know about these, then make them an auto-confirmed only ordeal such as Bulbapedia does with their own host. I do not believe I missed anything I wanted to talk about here. Ryan PM 08:45, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose welcome notice updates - Nothing should be removed from this, perhaps people may not take notice of the welcome straight off the bat, but I know for a fact that i do return to refer to it's guides to this very day. I would support an addition of a clan chat/events section, but i oppose anything being removed, RSN: Warthog Rhys Talk Completionist's cape... Coming soon. 00:38, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Wait... :o Users are allowed to create their own Welcome notice, does this mean that we will have to start following rules on how our welcome notice is set up by only being allowed to put in our welcome notices what is determined here? svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 06:52, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

I think rules about personal welcome notices will stay the same. The text must always contain the same information, but background and other decoration will stay as open as it is now. Atleast, that's what i understand of this. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 18:55, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

The above has been moved from Forum:Improving our community

Amend the Welcome Notice

Currently, the welcome notice looks about as welcoming as a dentist's reception, thanks to its rather sterile, pale blue colour scheme. Aside from presentation, many other things need to be changed to improve the welcome notice as many editors have pointed out in the other thread, that new editors may not be reading the links posted. How can we change this? And, are there any new links that should be added, or unhelpful ones that should be removed? Discuss, 222 talk 02:21, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Comment - By the nature of this proposal, it's going to be hard to achieve consensus. Everyone has their own views regarding what should go into the notice and what should not, and many of those will clash. If you don't mind, I'm going to be bold and make some changes to it now. Stelercus evokes the power of RS:BOLD! It's super effective! Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 02:30, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Ended up removing the part about signatures. When I was a new user, I had no idea what a signature was or what that section was talking about. However, as is almost always the case, the user will figure it out eventually. As far as the colours go, is it strange that I wanted to turn it green? Blue may be the best colour, when you get to the bottom of it, as it matches the sides of the screen for Oasis users (which all new users are). Anyway, it looks a lot more readable than it did when I got here. If I were a new user, I would actually bother doing so. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 02:35, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/2497/oasisblue.png
I'm not sure what the hexadecimal code is for the background "Oasis blue". If anyone knows, attached is an image of the color uninterrupted by the little square pattern. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 02:45, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
That appears to be mostly A5C2D0 Riblet15 03:35, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
I've changed the border too, the turquoise wasn't doing it for me Wink --Aburnett(Talk) 20:03, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
I felt the same, but I didn't know what to change it to OMG!. Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 23:33, December 25, 2010 (UTC)

I love going to the dentist There are like 5-6 mega hotties working there, great fun flirting. But yea, I have been saying for years our welcome notice is way too bleh.--Degenret01 14:39, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Getting a bit senile? O_o   Swizz Talk   Events!   15:12, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
Wut? The first sentence on the page implies that dentists reception areas are not welcoming, I was refuting that assertion. And go me for saying refuting and assertion when I am this tired.--Degenret01 15:15, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
Lol. Nice Degen. HaloTalk 19:34, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Remove UOL - New users are actually pretty unlikely to go through lessons on tables, etc, as they probably joined to make minor changes. If they want to start doing tables, then they can navigate there in their own time. Real Nub 18:29, December 24, 2010 (UTC)

Support UoL removal - Per real, it's not necessary. --Aburnett(Talk) 23:35, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
Can we at least keep a link to the basic formatting lesson? That one, unlike templates and tables, was directed right at new users (the same is true of community interaction, but I don't imagine people will want to link to that). Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 23:33, December 25, 2010 (UTC)
Yah, that makes sense =D Real Nub 23:03, December 26, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - There isn't much of a consensus for anything here. Not even the UOL removal has consensus, due strong objection. Of course, an amendment to the welcome notice doesn't require consensus, so users are free to edit it as they see fit as long as such amendments do not result in edit wars or incivility. --LiquidTalk 04:04, January 7, 2011 (UTC)