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This thread was archived on 28 October 2010 by Gaz Lloyd.

For those of you who are not familiar with the subject, RS:STYLE#Wording recommends that words in titles should only have the first letter of the first word (and the first letter of proper nouns like Misthalin) capitalized. Though this is not a binding guideline, it is still religiously followed by certain multiple-eyed monsters.

I am here today to request that the guide be amended to capitalize the first letter of every word in the title, with the exception of articles (like the, of, or, etc.), and where common sense dictates otherwise. So, for example, a header on an page will read "History and Development" instead of "History and development". The reasons for this are simple. It is good practice to treat all words in a title as proper nouns. It shows that the title is actually important. Leaving the remaining letters lowercase gives the impression that the title is a sentence in the content instead of a title. Furthermore, this is the de facto standard followed by many of our articles, such as Fifth Age. This change will make the wiki have better presentation.

As for the implementation side of things, RS:STYLE will remain a guide and not a policy, so this is not binding. Editors are not forced to follow this, nor are they penalized for violating this guideline. However, if an article is changed to conform to RS:STYLE, it is expected to stay that way. Any articles that follow the current version of the guide will not be changed unless someone really wants to do it. --LiquidTalk 00:13, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

Support - As nominator. --LiquidTalk 00:13, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Per Nom, It's always bugged me that we intentionally have not done this. Note that it will be a slow transition, should this pass (for hopefully obvious reasons). Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 00:26, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - Good idea, although you spelt the forum name wrong. It should be "Forum:Amend the Capitalisation Guidelines" ;) ajr 00:28, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Support - Per the nominator and Stelercus. [1] N7 Elite (Ready to talk now?) 00:30, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - What else to say thean 'Yes'? Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 00:31, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Quite a lot, actually. "Then" is a word that is used as a comparison in chronology. First this, THEN that. "Than" is a word used for comparison of objects or ideas or things like that. This is better THAN that. Therefore, your position should have read, "What else to say than 'Yes'?" I will correct it unless you deny me permission. --LiquidTalk 00:33, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Done for you, sir. Achievements Coelacanth0794 Talk Contribs 02:18, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Lol fail! "Thean". 222 talk 03:58, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose Some words are too generic and should not be capitalized, that is why our grammar rules developed as they have. Following the actual game names should be our first priority. Changing from actual names to this rule is counter productive.--Degenret01 00:46, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose will change to support if proposal is modified to state game names take priority.--Degenret01 00:50, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Game names take priority in article titles. For example, Helm of neitiznot will stay there. However, in a section title, it's quite obvious that Neitiznot is a proper noun, so any section headers will be Helm of Neitiznot. The generic words like "the", "a", "or" will remain lowercase pursuant to standard practice of capitalizing titles, but other words would be capitalized. --LiquidTalk 01:01, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Neutral - It doesn't really matter since it would be just a guideline. If it's a guideline, can't you just add it, and we ignore it accordingly? svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 01:32, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

No, it's still in the project space. I'd rather have a consensus back this up. --LiquidTalk 01:33, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - All words in titles except conjunctions and prepositions should be capitalized. I think it looks better that way, especially with a page like Helm of neitiznot, when Neitiznot is actually a place in RuneScape and therefore should be capitalized. --Callofduty4 01:51, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Let me reiterate though that we can't do anything about the article title. Those are dependent on the in-game name. Jagex's item system forces the first character to be capitalized, and forces the rest to be lowercase. --LiquidTalk 01:52, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Then I suppose keeping Neitiznot lowercase is fine, but the rest of my point still stands... --Callofduty4 02:11, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Firstly, good luck going through correcting the 15.8k article titles on this wiki. Secondly, this really isn't a big deal, so I don't see why we need to make an amendment. Andrew talk 02:04, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

I said that we're going to leave the articles as-is, unless someone wants to change them. This is just for future reference. --LiquidTalk 02:05, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
And then it might get ignored since it's just a suggestion, like you and British spelling d= svco4bY.png3Gf5N2F.png 02:11, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Strong Oppose - Seriously, it isn't broke, it's an okay system, let's just leave it. HaloTalk 02:15, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Change to Neutral - It would make titles look more professional but the system we use at the moment isn't broken by any means and works fine. --Callofduty4 02:37, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - For the item capitalization part. In addition, I think the system isn't broke and it could cause more confusion by having some things capitalized "correctly" and most things capitalized as they have been before. ʞooɔ 03:03, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Cook. Good luck with redirects and all the link changes. But really, all that needs to change are maybe pages on RuneScape theory e.g. guides and explainations of the GE/merchanting. 222 talk 04:00, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose - Waste of time. bad_fetustalk 07:07, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - Isn't this the sort of thing a bot can do? "Waste of time," "Good luck correcting" ...? Leftiness 08:01, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

How can a bot tell if it's capitalization isn't supposed to be changed because of in-game spelling? bad_fetustalk 09:02, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Liquid said that article titles would keep the in-game spelling, but all words in the headers except for articles would be capitalised. I don't know much about scripting, but it seems like it would find ==Words like this or that== and capitalise every word except the words listed in a do-not-capitalise list to make it ==Words Like This or That==. That seems to me like something a bot could do. Leftiness 17:49, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
We could have an immensely long list of find and replace rules. 222 talk 23:59, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
Rule #1: Capitalise the first letter of every word between two == except (list of all articles and conjunctions). Am I missing something? Leftiness 00:41, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
A bot would transfrom things like ==Abyssal whip== into ==Abyssal Whip== when we are supposed to keep in-game capitalization. Also, it's just pretty pointless. bad_fetustalk 13:14, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
The proposal is to capitalise every word in a level 2 header except for articles and conjunctions. This proposal would have it ==Abyssal Whip==, and it was also said that article titles would be left with Jagex's capitalisation. Leftiness 19:08, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Support - This doesn't have to be done immediately. Just make changes when you edit normally. LordDarkPhantom 09:09, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - If it's a proper noun it needs to be capitalised, if it's not it shouldn't. Hunter cape (t).png Sentra246Blue hallowe'en mask.png 11:31, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comment - You guys do realize that this is not going to apply to article titles, right? Those will still be based off of the in-game name, so I don't see why any links will be broken. --LiquidTalk 13:20, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - You're talking about headers, right? As in...

Example Here

If so, then I support. Titles (except article titles in this case) should always follow the proper capitalization rules. I've pretty much been doing this already.  Tien  16:31, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Support - If somebody really wants to go through all the work to do this I say let them do it. SaradominSign Me! 16:36, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

oppose - unless you use british spelling. iiii i i italk

Strong Oppose - I don't want to create reverts according to just these matters. And, if we don't want these matters just leave it alone. Rewlf2 12:40, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Oppose—Using sentence case is accepted and widespread. See The Los Angeles Times webpage, for example, The Washington Post's webpage, or The Chicago Sun-Times: All three use sentence case for their headlines. Even The Times and The Financial Times use sentence case. The New York Times uses title case, as does The Wall Street Journal, so you can find supporters of both styles. I personally like how sentence case looks—I think it looks friendly and unstuffy—and see no reason to go to the trouble of switching to title case. Horsehead Talk 00:18, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

If newspaper headline titles are relevant here, then I could say that book titles, song titles, and movie titles use title case.  Tien  19:43, October 15, 2010 (UTC)
You are right: I misread. Horsehead Talk 12:30, October 16, 2010 (UTC)

Request for closure/comment - No activity...not very clear consensus however. HaloTalk 01:00, October 27, 2010 (UTC)

Closed - No consensus to either way. Status quo prevails. Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 21:40, October 28, 2010 (UTC)