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This thread was archived on 28 December 2011 by Cook Me Plox.

A rather simple proposal here. Extend maximum *.gif size from 500 kB to 800 kB-1MB. Files such as :File:Disrupt Multi.gif already exceed that because they MUST. Going by this, we could make small animations such as File:Cosmic body equip.gif (to name something) slightly larger and make already huge files, such as Disrupt, "fit within the policies". Also, we could use Ryan's version here, after cropping/resizing it a bit so that it can be viewed. There aren't really any downsides here... User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 15:43, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

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Comment - Downside is that the larger files don't show up or are laggy. For example, I can't even see the thumbnail for Ryan's version of living on borrowed time. sssSp7p.pngIjLCqFF.png 17:13, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Hence the line saying I want it to be resized. But yes, I agree on that. Thus I don't want to replace all images and make them 100px larger, just allow people to not worry about size so much when making new animaitons. User_talk:Fswe1 Fswe1 Brassica Prime symbol.png 17:36, December 9, 2011 (UTC)
That's due to a bug in Wikia's changes to MediaWiki on re-sizing for thumbnails and non-alike (hence direct linking to the file from the page at one time). Ryan PM 19:00, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Comment - I've generally ignored the 500KB rule since it became apparent that I was not able to get anywhere near it. 800KB is good enough, especially when we have dial-up users (they do indeed exist!) waiting ages to load them or just appearing as a single frame (or none). Bigger is better when it fits the within the limit and no significant sacrificing of color. Ryan PM 19:00, December 9, 2011 (UTC)

Protip - compress them. (usually only compresses up to 10%, but still helps a bit) JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 11:51, December 10, 2011 (UTC)

Trend Micro says no. False positive? Ryan PM 18:18, December 10, 2011 (UTC)
I didn't get anything from downloading it. If you are worried of that site, you could try http://www.simtel.net/product/view/id/55381 as external download. Unless you know another free gif compresser? JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:38, December 11, 2011 (UTC)

Support - The animations we have now are really horrible. A larger file size would help mitigate quality issues. --LiquidTalk 21:09, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Support - Until someone can give an adequate reason why increasing the file size would be a bad thing, I see zero reason for this not to pass. Matt (t) 04:41, December 14, 2011 (UTC)

Support, but I feel you have overlooked something important. Animations have to be framed, as you will undoubtedly know, and will have to be worked into articles at a ~650px width. It is far more practical, in terms of use on an article, to not have the animation too wide/tall. Ultimately, the quality of an image is dependent on how it can be used, and I would hope anyone making an animation would take this into account. For instance, File:Cosmic body equip.gif and File:Stat Spy.gif are great sizes for use on their respective articles.

Additionally, I wouldn't really like to see the bugged thumbnail animations, such as Living on borrowed time by Ryan PM, used to often. It creates problems with linking, orphaning and viewing animations from their file pages. These can be partly addressed, but I would much rather have a fully functional version, such as Exor's on "living on..." if possible. Cases of large animations, such as Comp cape animations, do require a workaround of course.

Despite what I have said above, it would be a good idea to increase the limit (not that it's particularly observed anyway). Larger filesize does not necessarily mean larger dimensions, and there are several examples of images above the limit that are already of decent dimension and fully functional. It would allow us to improve the general quality of animations, and give the makers a little more room to manoeuvre. --Henneyj 00:05, December 20, 2011 (UTC)

Do you think the 800 kb-1000 mb size suggested above is sufficient? Personally I'd be fine with removing a cap altogether and telling the animators to use common sense. --LiquidTalk 00:46, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
Yea I'd be happy with that, actually. There are inevitably situations where a cap won't be possible to abide by. Maybe leave a note to encourage nothing too large, such as "animations are preferred with a file size less than 1000mb, although larger images can be uploaded". --Henneyj 19:15, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Support-ish - I may be a lone dog, having crappy internet that likes to cut off downloads and run around on fire, but I can't help but think there are very few times when we could need files over 500 KB. Obviously some really long animations such as the Completionist cape's emote may need very large images (2.81 MB with 182 frames at a 630x466 resolution). However, the vast majority of files should be more along the lines of the [[:File:Spell, Stat Spy.gif|example]] Henneyj posted above. If it has to be resized in the article, it's too big. With that being said, I'd support the removal or increasement of the cap because I believe uploaders can use common sense (despite comment feeds on news sites stating otherwise), and from the looks of it, the "limit" isn't stopping anything anyway. Though, please bear in mind not everyone's internet is as fast or as stable as they wish (my lousy connection is my leading cause of profanity usage), and every image adds on to that (loading the completionist cape page went badly, the second animation didn't load, and the first was still loading when I closed the page). Hofmic Talk 01:23, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Also, I've been really out of it, but what's all this Error creating thumbnail: Invalid thumbnail parameters stuff? Hofmic Talk 01:26, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
That error is because Wikia's servers can't handle an image that big, so it just gives an error. That's also why it can't be used with a regular filelink. JOEYTJE50TALKpull my finger 21:49, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
This request for closure is complete A user has requested closure for Allow GIFs to be larger. Request complete. The reason given was: Open nearly three weeks, unamimous support. Ronan Talk 21:20, December 28, 2011 (UTC)

Closed - Animation size limit will be increased to one megabyte on the images and media policy. Note that this is not a hard limit (images above that size will not necessarily be deleted), but all large animations should be compressed and cropped as much as possible without compromising the functionality of the image. ʞooɔ 22:04, December 28, 2011 (UTC)