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Whenever I wish to view the RuneScape Wiki Post (RSWP), I always have to dig through the WikiGuild to try and find a link. Because it is a community endorsed project that many are involved in, I feel we should add it to the Community category on the navigation bar on the left hand side of the screen.

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Support - As proposer. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  08:57, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - You could also go to the News section on the main page. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 08:59, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral - I would like to know more about how the newspaper has been faring content quality, staff, and priority wise if that makes much sense. I was opposed to it from the beginning and if its should get such a blatant plug as one on the main page it should very well be at least successful enough to warrant it. What I mean is that if the project is suffering from a lack of interest, content, and support, why should we put it on the main page? Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 09:01, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Opppose - Looked around this months edition and the past months and while I still do not like the idea, I am not opposing this because of that. You can pretty easily find a link to the Newspaper as oli4burggraa said above under recent wiki news. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 10:23, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
The recent news section doesn't always provide a link to the newspaper. It could be completely filled with recent sysoppings. C.ChiamTalk 10:26, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
True. However, that is not very often the case, I think. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 10:46, September 6, 2009 (UTC)


In any case, I support adding a link to newspaper in the sidebar. The content in the newspaper is pretty decent, and this is an official WikiProject, so I see no reason not to. C.ChiamTalk 10:49, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I do not think that this would get more people to read it. The "community" tab is already quite big, and puttin the RSWP at the bottom would not make it 'stand out'. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 10:51, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Telos has mentioned that this is for easy access, not to get more people to read it. C.ChiamTalk 10:53, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
I know. Just wanted to say it. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 10:57, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
The point is the main navigation bar should be reserved for real content regarding the game or wiki, the newspaper is very often featured in the sitenotice (this is probably the first time in weeks it hasnt been there) and is often accessible from the recent news section. So why add another link when it would only be unnecessary and also out of place. Why doesn't editor review and the GE market watch get links? Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 12:23, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
They do get links. C.ChiamTalk 12:48, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
Bad examples on my part. The way that I look at the situation is this. The editor review lets editors review each other and make constructive suggestions to their editing so they can improve. GE market watch is an efficient and useful way for tracking prices on the GE. The RS wiki newspaper is a collection of filler content that not many people take the time to read. On top of that, you can find it usually two other ways. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 13:40, September 6, 2009 (UTC)
I wouldn't consider the Yew Grove to be actual content, but it's under community too. I don't see how the newspaper would be out of place there. C.ChiamTalk 13:50, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Why not? Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 11:31, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Lol, I have the page bookmarked in both browsers I use. Nevertheless, I Support. --

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13:48, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Support - And Tebuddy, come on, don't be difficult. So what if there's a link in the sidebar? How will this do any besides easier access to it? In no way is this not helping the wiki. You need the see the bigger picture. — Enigma 14:14, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

I'm just gonna stay neutral. But please don't tell me to see the bigger picture when the bigger picture is that the newspaper does not contribute anything to the wiki at all and is in fact not that popular. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 14:24, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Support - If even Runescape:wiki world is under the tab, then the RSWP shoul be there too. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:20, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Changed to oppose.
Changed back to support.

Oppose per Tebuddy and because the newspaper still hasn't achieved community consensus to become official. Andrew talk 15:05, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Strongly Support - I'd have to believe that the "newspaper" has in fact achieved community consensus simply due to its existence. The nay-sayers who opposed it thought that it would never happen at all, and felt it was too un-encyclopedish. This wiki does not have to be strictly an encyclopedia and community efforts like this, IMHO, ought to be supported and integrated into this wiki. More to the point, the added visibility of this project might be useful as well, both to the newspaper and for the community at large who may not yet be aware of this feature of the wiki. --Robert Horning 15:16, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

The project has been given as much visibility as any project should. It has been featured in the sitenotice I would say a dozen times and is constantly highlighted in the recent news. If that is not enough to get the ball rolling, perhaps its a sign. Regardless, scanning over the issues the content is really lacking any quality. Why does it exist? A good answer is not "why doesn't it exist?" because many other ideas have been shot down for failing to provide any real benefit to the wiki in the least. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 15:31, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - To get to the newspaper, I simply type "RSWP" into the search bar.  Tien  15:35, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Tebuddy and Tienjt0. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 16:27, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Changed back to support. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 17:01, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Pending; leaning towards support - WikiProjects like this should be encouraged by adding links so that they are easily accessible. My only concern is that the project is still located in the "Proposals" sub-page of the "RuneScape:WikiGuild" although we have already released 6 issues. IMO, we should open up a discussion to fully officiate the newspaper before we think about adding the link.

I don't mind the link being added, but it would be nicer if we linked to "RuneScape:RuneScape Wiki Post" (or "RuneScape:RSWP") than to "RuneScape:WikiGuild/Proposals/RS Newspaper/RuneScape Wiki Post". (If required, AzBot could easily move all the pages in the newspaper to the new name, but we need to discuss and officiate the newspaper first.)   az talk   19:18, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Support - I also agree with Az, the current location of it is too long. I find the newspaper to be an interesting read and it should be promoted from "proposal" status. --Quarenon  Talk 19:34, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Robert, the full name of the page is RuneScape:WikiGuild/Proposals/RS Newspaper/RuneScape Wiki Post. It is still a proposal. That is why I am saying it never reached consensus to become official, because it didn't. Andrew talk 21:08, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

In fairness, it would help to read what the rules of establishing a Wikiguild really involved before complaining that it became official or not. The original proposal suggested it a total of 5 active Runescape wikians were required in order to demonstrate that it was a viable project. We definitely should not be setting this standard up so high that it is impossible to create an "official" Runescape Wikiproject with such bureaucracy and red tape. For this reason, I find this whole discussion to be an affront to all things wiki and by far and away detrimental to future wiki projects that other players might come up with. I seriously don't think this discussion should even happen. It's proposal state is long since past, and all that it took to remove the word "proposal" was to simply get rid of the word and move the pages some where else. I think this project went well past 5 active participants quite some time ago, and has more than maintained those 5 active participants as well.... or is that something you find to be in dispute? --Robert Horning 12:17, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I just proposed to make the RSWP official, see here [1]. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  06:10, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Personally I don't really mind, but it could be useful for others needing to get to the RSWP page(s) quickly. Ruud (talk)(Suggest me naems) 06:13, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Weak oppose - It is not encyclopedic and I dont think it should be in the left nav section. But if the support is there then I guess the community section is the only place it could go. It should be last on the list, however. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 08:17, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per Quarenon. Horsehead Talk 00:38, September 8, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Just search "rswp". How hard is that? --Nup(T) 12:16, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Following that reasoning, we might as well remove the link to the Yew Grove. Just type "Yg". How hard is that? C.ChiamTalk 12:18, September 9, 2009 (UTC)
I have never ever used the link to the Yew Grove. I didn't even know it was there. Everytime I wish to get here I just search "yew grove". --Nup(T) 12:21, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

Support - I would be alot better just to have a simple link all the time.--Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 16:44, September 9, 2009 (UTC)

By that logic I can think of a dozen more deserving pages to be added to the left nav as they are more commonly searched for. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 10:09, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
List them, we can add them too. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  10:46, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
Theres a reason websites don't have every popular page on their navigation menu. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 12:08, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
http://runescape.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Mostpopulararticles&limit=500&offset=0 and http://runescape.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special:Mostvisitedpages&limit=500&offset=0 not a single whiff of the RSWP on there. Tyhe content just isnt popular enough to warrant being added imo. --Gold ore.png Mercifull UK serv.svg (Talk) 12:12, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Why not! Just replace 'Weekly Events'(which is about 1 month old with no updates). At least somebody is interested in this. It seems more deserving than 'Requests for Clan Chat Ranking' which could easily go into the 'Clan Chat' Menu. The point being, somebody is interested in this project, encourage it and possibly rethink some of the other tabs. Tdoubleup 19:18, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose for now If it ever reaches a decent level of content and writing I will support.I am NOT saying that everything in there, or anything even, is junk. So don't be offended. There is just a heck of a lot of room to bring it up to a semi-professional level, the way a lot of our better articles are.--Degenret01 22:53, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Per Mercifull's reasons in reply to Techie Elite. Amethyst II Talk 23:17, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Tdoubleup only has 4 contributions. Isn't there a policy that says that his vote doesn't count? No offense. Amethyst II Talk 23:19, September 13, 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per all supports. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 01:51, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Yes, if there is a policy that states why I can't have a say in a community matter, please post a link to it. I know there are a boat-load of policies, like 'All Editors are Equal'. Someone please post a link in this discussion so I can review it. Thanks. Tdoubleup 13:34, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Here's all our policies. I believe you are allowed to have a say in the YG; only the things covered here have a 50 edit limit (either 50 mainspace (UotM) or 50 total (excluding User:, User talk: and RuneScape:Sandbox edits). Quest.png Gaz Lloyd 7:^]Events!99s 13:40, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
It's not to be mean to you Tdoubleup, its just that so many people have had their comments crossed out, so I thought that you weren't exempt from this rule. Sheesh. As I said here:
Oppose - I think that this 50 edits thing is kind of ridiculous. 50 edits make it seem like we are very partial people. Some editors are "behind the scenes" in that they discuss more than edit.
— Derilith II
...I am not partial to anyone. It's just policy. Amethyst II Talk 22:27, September 14, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Clearly this discussion is going nowhere. Request for closure. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  12:29, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Why would we close it if there isn't any consensus? This is exactly why I made that YG suggestion about banning requests for closure. >_> Andrew talk 04:01, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
That is exactly what happened in the swearing thread Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 07:56, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Because the discussion has mostly died out and there are no new arguments. Per no consensus, and Silence is the weakest form of consensus I want this discussion to be archived. Additionally, in your "Request for closure" discussion, you said: "...Therefore I am proposing that we disallow requests for closure unless the person making the request is the person that started the discussion and they can only make such a request if the community isn't in the middle of a discussion." I began the discussion and there haven't been any significant points made in weeks. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  09:16, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Reading over that I see I didn't word it very well, but you get my point. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  09:16, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Mmm, I think the reason why the discussion hasn't been going anywhere thus far, is because we've moved on to discussing whether to make the RSWP official. Once that's over, the discussion here will probably resume, so I think it may be better to leave it open for the time being. C.ChiamTalk 09:25, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
Mmmmk. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  09:58, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
"if the community isn't in the middle of a discussion" We are. If the community wasn't in the middle of a discussion there would be very little contributions or a clear consensus. Andrew talk 13:21, October 3, 2009 (UTC)

Support - It should just go under the Community tab. Yes, it is decent in size and activity, but it is a paper written by the community for the community. It does not really need it's own section, but I'd love to see it somewhere on the sidebar, only under "Community". Zaros symbol.pngChaos Monk Talk SignCoins 250.png 00:15, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

Support - It is extremely hard for someone to find the RSWP who is not looking for it, i.e. a visitor to the site or a new editor. It is a community paper and should therefore be easily accessible by the community. Otherwise, it is far too buried to become a real operation.--Mirror.png Mirror - Talk - Sign Raw fish-like thing.png 00:34, October 15, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - So? What are we doing? If the RSWP becomes and official project, can we add the RSWP link to the navigation bar? I Support this idea, but what do the res of you think? --

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17:41, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

Comment - As I mentioned before, one can simply type "rswp" in the search bar to get to the newspaper. However, new editors obviously don't know that, so it would very much benefit them to offer an easy way to reach the newspaper.  Tien  20:52, October 23, 2009 (UTC)

If users should type in 'rswp' so we don't have to stick it in the Navigation Bar, then why don't we remove all those links in there, simply because of all the shortcuts? I mean, for example, why have the yew grove? Simply type in yg and it'll work fine.--
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01:57, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
If you've noticed, I haven't written "Oppose" anywhere on this thread. I was just commenting on an easy way to access the newspaper that already exists.  Tien  23:32, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Request closure - Being bold, I decided that we should add a link to the newspaper at MediaWiki:Sidebar and [[MediaWiki:Monaco-sidebar]]. Simply typing the "rswp" shortcut is useful to current users, but to enable new users to stumble upon the newspaper, we need to add the link to the sidebar.

If you disagree with this, please consider giving the newspaper (and its team) a couple of months, and we'll discuss this again if necessary.   az talk   17:44, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Support Why not? It would be nice for the browser to see some Fan Fiction or funny comics. Youdead00 18:08, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Umm, Youdead? We're remove the comics. They have been deemed 'Not funny.' Just thought you should know. Also, I Request for closure. --
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20:20, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - This may be brought up later if necessary.  Tien  20:38, October 30, 2009 (UTC)