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This thread was archived on 23 February 2009 by Calebchiam.

There are literally hundreds of stub articles of various NPCs where there is little to be said about them, and often the only information available on them is what town they are found in. I think that all of these stub articles should be combined into articles such as Residents of Catherby. I would go ahead and do this now but I figured before doing something as big of this I could not only use some help, but also would probably do well to clear it with people who are more experienced with this than I.

There are also a number of NPCs that run shops, and that is their only distinguishable characteristic. I think that these shopkeepers could be put into the Residents of Town X articles, or possibly in a new article, Shopkeepers of Town X. The only problem with the latter is what do you do with towns that only have one shopkeeper?

I'd appreciate some feedback on this, because I won't start until I'm sure its ok, because I don't want to do all this work and then have it reverted!

Psycho Robot 02:16, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I like the idea, but as the RuneScape:Granularity policy says, "All items, NPCs, quests, whatever, are worthy of their own article, except in special cases where it is decided to combine or delete an article by consensus." I guess this could be one of those special cases where we combine articles and I'd be in support of it if others are. I guess you can consider this a neutral vote for now until there is more discussion on this topic. Andrew talk 02:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Oppose - Per Azliq and Robert Horning. Andrew talk 21:39, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:Neutral - I honestly have no opinion or preference. As is is fine with me but changing it makes no difference, just make sure you close and change all the links and make redirects. 04:23, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Oppose - As per Az 14:49, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Oppose - as per our Granularity policy. There are several issues I would like to highlight:
  • Shopkeeper articles are in the process of being expanded (see RuneScape:WikiGuilds/Store Survey).
  • Future expansion - As for non-trading NPCs, some may be expanded in the future once they become involved in quests, miniquest, Achievement diaries, etc. So, when someone needs to look-up info on a particular NPC, they wouldn't want to be searching in Residents in X, or Shopkeepers of Y.
  • Loss of information? - What happens to the information from the infobox, and the NPC image (if any) - If we decide to merge all the NPCs from a city/town, we would have to include the all kinds of images and information into a single article.... For example, the Catherby article should be about the town, not about the stuff the people in Catherby are selling. The "Shops" section should be excluded as separate "Shop articles".
  • Size - For cities with a large number of NPCs (i.e. Varrock), we have a separate article, Personalities of Varrock, briefly describing each NPCs and provides a link to each NPC's article. For smaller cities, we should have a section called "NPCs" or "Personalities" listing the links to NPC pages (with no description).
  • "Non-city" NPCs - We also have many NPCs that do not belong to any city/town. Where would we list them? Some are found in dungeons, in other planes, in quest storylines, etc.
Combining information about NPCs would be a terrible idea, in my opinion. Personally, I feel that stubs should be expanded, not merged. If they is enough information, the "stub" tag should be removed.
Here is an excerpt on how to decide whether stubs are really stubs (the "Croughton-London" rule)
Consider an article that is slightly longer than your standard one-paragraph stub. It has maybe three short paragraphs, amounting to less than a screenful of information on your laptop. Is it, or is it not, a stub? The answer will often be given not so much by the article itself as by the topic of the article.

A small article on a relatively small or insignificant subject is far less likely to be considered a stub than the same sized article on a far larger or more important topic. There is simply likely to be far less that is noteworthy, say, about a small English village than about the nation's capital city. The article on Wikipedia:Croughton, Northamptonshire runs to a handful of short paragraphs, but it is sufficient to regard it as a fairly comprehensive article about the village and therefore not a stub.

Thus, a stub is a stub not just by dint of its length, even taking into consideration whether it is an article and how much of that length is text. It also has to be judged in terms of the relative importance of the subject of the article. And that, sadly, is both an arbitrary process and one that cannot be done by bot alone.

Wikipedia:User:Grutness/Croughton-London rule of stubs
We should be checking whether article marked as "stubs" are really stubs...   az talk   14:28, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Strongly Oppose - at least so far as the deletion of even smaller or insignificant "residents". In addition to RS:GRAN, there is a tendency of the Jagex developers to expand the roles of seemingly insignificant persons through quests and other activities. I completely agree with what what written above, and will note that there is significant amounts of information missing on many NPCs as well.

As for the creation of an article like Residents of Varrock, I don't have a problem with that at all. A handy "census" that can be used as an index to people who live in Varrock may be a useful tool to have. I should note that there actually is a Varrock Census article, although that is based upon content that exists in-game on its own accord. Similar kinds of articles that have expanded information would be useful, but not at the expense of removing content from the wiki.

BTW, the role of a stub is to encourage you to dig into more research about a topic. You may be surprised to find out more information about somebody like Betty that is much more involved than just simply being a shopkeeper in Port Sarim. --Robert Horning 15:35, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I hadn't planned on deleting the info boxes or the images, just consolidating them into one article. Imagine all the current articles stacked on top of one another. If a character IS expanded upon, then obviously a main article solely about that character could be made and then linked to from the consolidation page. Maybe I'm just a neat freak, but one big comprehensive article seems much more preferable than having a zillion little articles that are LITERALLY one sentence long. I'm relatively new here and I'm not sure how things work (for instance I didn't know about the granularity policy) so if I'm completely off base then that's fine. I'm not exactly passionate about this idea, I just think its a good one. Psycho Robot 00:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)