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This thread was archived on 10 December 2009 by Robert Horning.

In some articles it will say: For you to obtain this etc. but in some it will be For the player to obtain this etc. Which is right? I think we need to standardise what person various articles are in.Joe Click Here for Awesomeness17:26, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure articles are suppose to be in 3rd person, so any articles in 1st person view should be changed, right? Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 18:07, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes, it says that in the style guide that all articles should be in 3rd. However, some articles such as guides or walkthoughths are better offf in second. As for 1st, ??? Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 18:09, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

First person should be avoided like a plague, IMO. Second person is good for some points (guides, walkthroughs), and 3rd person is the best way to go most of the time. --Beware the underrated. Pikaandpi Berserker Fury!Hit hard or go home. 18:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

It is a little confusing, maybe we need to clarify the style guide for new editors. cflm (talk) 19:01, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

The only thing I could find in RS:STYLE is, This means words like "I," "we," or "me" should not be included in articles. That excludes first, but there was no specific mention of what actual point of view to use. We should set up specific criterion for what point of view to use for any given article so it can be standardized. Worst thing that can happen is for the point of view to change within the article (presumably by different editors) so either editor could claim to be the most appropriate. --Quarenon  T / C 23:16, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Support second person - It's better for guides and other things, less confusing than saying "The player..." all the time. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 17:10, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Support second person for guides, support third person for everything else per Az. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 13:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Support second person - It's easier to understand, per C Teng. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  01:12, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose second Person - We are after all an encyclopedia, and "then you go there and do that" or "you get a lot of fletching exp" doesn't really sound like encyclopedic-quality material. "The Player" helps keep it impersonal. Now that's a throwing weapon!Doucher4000******r4000I'll eat you! 02:52, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Oppose second person - As per Doucher. Quest point cape detail.png Brux Talk 03:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment - I remember that someone said we should use second person for guides as "You need to do this to get this" seems better than "The player will need to do this etc etc" and use third person when its just a general article such as items/locations/person. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 03:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Support third person for articles; oppose anything else - We have had this discussion before, and the resulting decision was to use "imperative (command) form" for quest pages (see Quest style guide), and third person for everything else.

See some of the earlier discussions here:

Since Joe was not specific enough, I need to explain that we use two types of tenses for different articles.

Let me quote some passages from the quest style guide:

Though the Wiki is an encyclopedia, it is also a player guide. This means that not all articles should be written in third person.

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Thus, it is okay if quest/guide articles are written in the imperative (command) tense. In all other cases, the third person plural ("Players/Users/They") or the third person singular ("Player/User/He/She") tenses are used.   az talk   11:58, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

The Az way because during the discussions last year it was clear to me that this made a lot of sense. Articles where this is not being done should prob get a cleanup tag stuck on them.--Degenret01 12:36, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Az's way - the Az way sounds like an advertising slogan for a DIY shop called Az. Anyhow, Az's is mice and specific, and we should have cleanup tag on ones without the right person.Joe Click Here for Awesomeness14:01, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

oops. Nice not mice. Joe Click Here for Awesomeness13:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


Support Az's way - Per my earlier comment. With Az's saying what I said, but a lot more clearly and expanded the explanation a bit more. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 13:53, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Support Az's way - I have a "question of clarification" (for lack of a better word). Does the imperative tense include use of the word "you?" I think of the imperative tense as something like, "Cut the tree to get a log," but does the tense include sentences like, "Cut the tree and you will get a log?" Just want to make sure.  Tien  14:24, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the first one ("Cut the tree to get a log") sounds better. Support Az's way, by the way. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 14:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Support per Az - Saying "The player" several times throughout a paragraph just sounds awful to me. I think it should be said at the beginning to establish that as the person you are referring to. I also think that he/him/his should be allowed as a gender neutral pronoun if it is not already. Since it sounds better than "they" to refer to a single person and is less confusing. Zaros tally.PNGBladeQuick chat button.png# 18:51, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Comment and Oppose changing quest style guide Our RuneScape:Quest style guide recommends using the imperative form when possible and says to use the second person when the imperative form is not possible. The implied subject of an imperative sentence is you. "[You] Kill the monster." "[You] Drink the tea." See this article and this article for more on the imperative and on how the subject of the imperative isn't stated but is understood to be you. Quests should continue to use the imperative form and the second person. Horsehead Talk 21:42, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

This is NOT a discussion to revise the Quest style guide. This discussing is about the tense we use in general articles. The imperative form (and possibly second person tense) should be used in quests/guides, and is already stated in the Quest style guide. So, I don't think you need to "Oppose changing quest style guide" since we were not considering changing it in the first place. =)   az talk   07:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification. I've removed the oppose. Horsehead Talk

Oppose Second Person - Except in the use of Quest Guides only, and even then only using the implied "you", not a visible "you". All Other Guides (Skill Training, Treasure Trail, etc.) should still be written in the third person, i. e. players/one can/should.--Mirror.png Mirror - Talk - Sign Raw fish-like thing.png 19:42, September 3, 2009 (UTC)

Request closure - Since a new forum topic has recently been created about this: Forum:The use of the word You. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 12:02, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Closed - We don't need to zombify this thread from six months ago. Consensus is to support using 3rd person grammar and is mostly put into the style guides.... although some additional clarity on those style guides could use some touch up. Any help on improving the style guides that meets this consensus is appreciated. --Robert Horning 16:34, December 10, 2009 (UTC)