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This thread was archived on 3 July 2008 by Skill.

Take a look at the deletion log.
http://runescape.wikia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=&page=

While a good portion of image deletions are to remove personal images, one type of deletion keeps standing out: "Low quality image". I've seen images that were serviceable--not perfect, not terrible--but were deleted anyway.

Our expectations for images are way too high; when a new editor's work is deleted, generally scares them away from from contributing here, anyhow. I can understand an uber compressed 50x50 screenshot being deleted. On the other hand, taking out images because they are JPEGs or not "cropped"/edited 100% to RSW "standards" is unacceptable.

Thoughts? May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)

These "low quality images", were they actually in use in an article and adding to the article? And are the replaced before they are deleted? I think if the pic is decent enough AND the only one we have of something, then it should stay. Where are the criteria set for what is high or low enough quality? Is this a personal judgement done by each sysop on thier own? --Degenret01 02:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Nothing in RuneScape:Images_and_media_policy addresses those questions. May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)
I agree, all images, no matter what quality, should be kept until a replacement can be found. White partyhat old.png C Teng talk 01:48, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
Speaking of which, I've had some of my uploaded images deleted for no reason whatsoever. For example, a while back, I uploaded pictures of the blessed d'hide components. Chaoticar put them under speedy delete, my pictures were removed and he uploaded his own versions! The same thing happened more recently with Kytti Khat when I put up a picture of the updated Summoning and Smithing level up message pictures. Look on the history of Summoning and Smithing for proof! None of those pictures had any problems but were taken out and deleted anyway. -.- AriasCombatSwords.pngKnight 01:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Sometimes this has to do with making images transparent (Kytti khat explained this in both edit histories, if you look). Users on Monobook or a white-background skin often won't notice that an image has a white background, but those of us who have an off-white background sure do. Often times we'll simply take the white-background image, download it, photoshop the background out, and reupload it under the same name. In the case of Smithing and Summoning, the old ones were deleted--instead of being reuploaded to the same article space--to be consistent across all skills (Anvil Updated.png vs Smithing detail.png) Endasil (Talk) @  11:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

This topic has been up for a bit and not generated enough discussion. In the cases referred to by Arias Knight, I see it very easy for people to get annoyed or their feeling hurt and then edit wars erupting over versions of images. (I am NOT saying Arias would, just saying those are the types of cases that could cause it). I believe we should generate a policy stating if the current image suits the needs, then a different version should not be uploaded. With certain exceptions. Such as, if we are switching to the new skill icons, then all should be updated. (although this particular case could have it's own particular discussion, as the old icons are still used on the display, and the new icon only comes up when its clicked on. So which to use?)--Degenret01 02:48, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Just to add my two cents worth: Is a policy on the matter really needed? The only reason (as Endasil pointed out above) that an image would usually be replaced is for a transparency issue or because the file is out-of-date, both of which are perfectly legit and shouldn't be a problem. If, on the other hand, the file is replaced with one of equal quality, I still don't think there is any reason to worry. It has the same overall result. The only reason I could see for the need to curb this would be if someone (for some reason) was doing this excessively, and I think that in that case a simple talk page message should be enough to sort it out. Dechaineux Talk 12:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thats all good enough as far as it goes, but we havn't addressed the original question. I got away from it too. Regarding in use images the do NOT get replaced and are just deleted. Ok, C Teng didn't get away from it. So what's to stop a sysop from just deleting images they feel are not good enough even when they are in use? And there is not a current replacement? So we prob do not need a policy, a general guideline would be fine.--Degenret01 13:38, 2 June 2008 (UTC)