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This thread was archived on 11 July 2008 by Clv309.

Note:I've changed my mind about the idea due to good points brought up by Christine

I've been doing a little research and I think we should obtain one of Wikia's new features. Each user has a profile (different from a userpage) that they can edit with information about themselves, an avatar/pic, etc. They can also send gifts to each other (maybe to thank someone, which will then show how respected that person is in the community), add other users as friends and a lot of other things. Even though it may just seem like a newer version of userpages, I am all for moving towards the future and I think this would benefit wiki growth and community building. Administrators can also add extra bits that will be more RS related (like what guilds the user is in, clans, fav area, etc.). There is more info here and the profiles is currently being used on this wiki among others. If we wish to enable this feature on this wiki we need to send a request through this. What are other peoples opinions? Chicken7 >talk 15:17, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounds cool but we can't upload images of our characters on the wiki, it would have to be offsite (like on an image hosting site).Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 16:26, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
I think it sounds cool too. We should totally do this. Prayer-icon.png Sir Lenehan File:Smite old.png|25px 16:30, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
Agreeing. 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko)
Cool. =] May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)
Agree only if we can sort something out with the image policy. People /are/ going to upload their images if this is implemented, so we need to decide if that's okay or not. Sysop crown.svgTes FanSysop crown.svg
This would be rather enjoyable =p May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)
If we can work out a way to block/stop people from uploading images, we could have our own ones that we have already uploaded that users can choose from. Or give them the option to use one from a image-hosting site. I'll look into it if we can do that. Aand as Earth said above, their is also "User levels" which I forgot to mention, which could show how much time and effort someone puts into the wiki without looking at Editcount and contribs. Cheers, Chicken7 >talk 00:26, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I cannot stand user profiles. Wikia is not facebook, wikia is not myspace, wikia is not AIM. If you want a profile, make an account there. Christine 01:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Also, no user levels. If you were to see the flame wars and all out chaos that happened on Halopedia, you would see this is terrible. People, quite honestly, make shit edits just to get more points and raise their level. There is absolutely no good in it and is just a way for people to make crappy edits and do another phrase I could insert here that's extremely crude. Christine 01:09, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I don't expect anyone who doesn't edit Halopedia to understand this. But it sucks. There have been numerous blogs written about how bad the new features are (ironically). I would like you all to read this by Darth tom at the least.

Halopedia, at the moment, is laughed at by the general wiki community. No point beating around the bush. ‘HaloSpace’, ‘MyPedia’ and ‘Socialpedia’ are names widely used on the IRC channels of other wikis to refer to Halopedia, referring to the element of social networking that surrounds and fills Halopedia, one that not many try to deny [...] Very soon, we received an influx of new users. Good, you may say? Not so. Unfortunately, these users turned out to be immature, young users, interested only in these ‘new features’, and in using Halopedia as a social networking site to occasionally chat about stuff vaguely related to Halo. That is not what wikis are for. Wikis are for collaborating with passionate users who share a common interest in a particular topic with yourself, where you can work in collaboration with a variety of new users to try and amass a database of information about a particular subject [...] Userpages, firstly; why do we need such ‘social userpages’? Why do we need two userpages? Userpages aren’t even important to the wiki, and take a very secondary approach, and a ‘social profile’ is complete and utter social networking [...] Messages? Useless. This isn’t, I reiterate again, a social networking, internet messaging site, and talk pages are all that should be used, in Wikia style. We are a wiki, not a social networking site [...] And to an utterly terrible idea; the point system. No more than an excuse to hold silly, useless and pointless ranks amongst each other, the system is open to complete abuse and is completely un-wiki. Open to point whoring and obsession with only gaining points, that’s the main reason why some people edit this wiki, and that’s wrong. A wiki should be edited for the joy of editing, for the joy of seeing an improvement in a topic you’re passionate about, not for silly and useless points. Christine 01:21, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

I want to link you guys to some blogs showing the issues. For those who really care, take a look. Halopedia did the point structure. People were point whores, only doing the tiniest of edits to get points. The edits got so insane, that people ended up being temporarily blocked because in reality, this editing was destroying the wiki. So they redid the point system, and you should see the problems it caused. And the same will happen here. People got so pissed, they actually suggested adding admins as foes, not friends. And that admin makes a great point, points do nothing for you. Those who played games only or made sock puppets to boost points caused the most disruption. He left because he lost a lot of points (read the comments). A whole lot more blogs than this were made because everyone was complaining about losing points (most were in all caps, they were deleted as spam). It seems only one came around to understand that points don't matter. Dan, a staffer warns that "making a lot of junk edits is gong to get you banned, and quickly. So don't." The issues and ways of "point whoring" are outlined here under "Edits and Spam." And after all that, people hate it. Halopedia does have a large community, larger than ours, but a majority of users, especially veteran users, have signed that page. If the veteran users care about this wiki, they'll see how the changes have nearly destroyed Halopedia. If you care about the wiki, you won't want these changes. At least the user levels. They cause no good. User levels are like our "top contributors" that are shown in the Monaco sidebar, levels aren't needed. Top contributors are shown on WkiStats. There's really no need for levels and points, and that feature at least is what I am most adamant about. I have seen what it has done to another wiki. I don't want that happening to RuneScape. Christine 02:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Withdrawing my support, because I don’t want the wiki to become utter trash again, like it was in 2006 through 2007. I want to reject the idea that it’s bad, but overwhelming examples of the garbage that’s on HaloPedia have convinced me. And I don’t even LIKE HaloPedia! 7kyt1iT.gif --WINE OF GOOD HEALTH (Actually Stinko)
Yeah, points aren't such a good idea.
But for god's sake, is Halopedia having a turf war? No, but we certainly are. Frankly, I'm sick of it. The "lol earth is idiot" and "omg christines crazy" garbage really needs to stop. In the end I think profiles will help spread the love, reuniting us a bit, something rsw desperately needs, if you know what I mean. ffs, add in the gifts and blogs. in any other circumstance I wouldn't want an gifts feature, as normal messages would suffice, but we could really use it; the blogs would give a good opportunity to for users to vent and give their analysis of RSW, the former reducing wikistress and the latter being helping for us in the long run. May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)
The blogs on Halopedia are mostly spam, and this certainly wasn't the place to bring up personal issues. Duh. No one said anything about a "turf war" and it was pretty dumb to bring it up here, you know it'd just cause more issues. Christine 02:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
For god's sake Christine, a dedicated user just quit the Wiki because of it.
But anyway, my point is that these things will help this Wiki become a friendlier place. I'm more than willing to deal with insipidity so long as editors stop quitting right and left. May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)
Who? Christine 03:06, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure how much gifts will actually do in terms of fighting... but for the blogs, why not just write an essay in project or user space? It'll probably have more visibility than an overrun blog namespace anyway. Skill 04:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Oh, and to clarify about avatars guys, they're uploaded with a special page, and I think they're kept separate from normal wiki images, so I don't think they'd be a problem (but I'm not sure, so I'll ask an admin from their wiki next time I talk to one). Christine 02:53, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I agree with Earthere, the profiles could be really cool. And on Halopedia, I think there's some Special:UploadAvatar, like Christine said, and even if they are kept in the image namespace, I see nothing wrong with categorizing them into something like "Category:Avatars." C Teng (talkcontribs) forgot to sign this comment 03:05, 6 July 2008 (UTC).
The wiki is for editing. It is about Runescape. It is not a social network. Yes we all get together for events and such. We also chat in game and in IRC, but to turn this into a myspace is stupid. Also, the points thing is like an edit count. People need to understand when they hit a certain edit count they shouldn't be made an admin..nor have any "rank" over another user. I have a ton of edits (most vandals and small) and have no reason to become a an admin, nor do I want to be "ranked" higher than anyone. Making a ranking system will only spread people apart...and cause a bunch of arguing [[File:Drunk dragon.png|Drunk dragon]]Cheers! Atlandy 03:33, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I must say I agree with Christine. Not only given the evidence, but the fact that we know the community will use it to chat rather than to improve community relations. Look at what happened with the forums after we updated it. It has nothing to do with the wiki anymore. Just as people come for the forums only, people will come to talk to each other rather than edit. If you feel an instatiable desire to tell people about yourself, make a template or something; this wiki is meant to be a fountain of knowledge, not a social network. --Sαcrε (edit my sig) | (edit my user page) 03:43, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Adding ranks, IMO, would be equivalent to formalizing all the edit counting that's been going on: we've already seen from Halopedia that people will edit solely to obtain a higher rank, and that's a very bad thing. It's essentially equivalent to the number of mainspace edits, anyways, which is already visible on the wikistats (and already causes a few problems). As for profiles, gifts, and blogs, we should stay away from social networking features and focus more on improving this wiki as an RS resource. We already have the forums for socializing, after all; why do we need to add these sorts of features to the wiki? Skill 04:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I agree with Christine now and am not so supportive myself of the idea. I was just thinking that there is so much arguements and hate on the wiki that this could be a way to improve friendships and stop all the, well, comments we don't need. But, as Halopedia as an example, this doesn't seem like such a good idea anymore. But I think we should still be looking for ways to improve. Chicken7 >talk 09:41, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Not that I want to get too involved in the decisions your Wiki has to make, i'd like to voice a few points that may be helpful. The new features brought a great increase in users to Halopedia, and some of these users have become dedicated users to the site. However, the majority of the users have joined only to use the new features. The blog system provides a great opportunity of faster discussion amongst the wiki. We do have to deal with many blogs that stray miles off-topic, and usually are just a waste of space and time. Like Christine has already mentioned, the new features rapidly turn a Wiki into a social site rather than an encyclopedia. Also, the newer messaging system/gifts system/friends system are incredibly annoying. Everyone tries to gain as many friends as possible, so you'd have to expect a constant flow of friend requests and gifts. This also means you'll be spammed by emails saying "????? has added you as a friend on Halopedia!". If you ever try removing a gift or friend, you can't mass remove, you have to remove them one by one, and that takes time. I've also never seen so much arguing at Halopedia as I have since the new features. Ok, I hope this has helped. If anyone wants to ask me anything about it i'm in #rswiki more or less every day. 82.5.192.43 10:40, 6 July 2008 (UTC) (HaloDude)

I still don't see any reason why not to have user profiles for getting information about a user. I agree the ranking system would cause problems, so I don't think this wiki should have a ranking system. Prayer-icon.png Sir Lenehan File:Smite old.png|25px 10:50, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget that a User's information can be placed on an ordinary User page wothout the new features being used on the Wiki. 82.5.192.43 10:57, 6 July 2008 (UTC) (HaloDude)

Withdrawing my support, now that I think of it Christine is right.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 15:12, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
Just want to comment that HaloDude is an admin on Halopedia (one of like, only 7 or something), so I'd trust his judgment. He came and commented before I even asked him to D: Christine 16:29, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
I oppose. =/
Not so sure about the quizzes. I'll do some thinking over that feature. May be coloured blue in the near future.earth(t)
Lol I asked him too :D And about quizzes. I might oppose them too because I remember when I was taking Halopedia's quizzes (I only got like 8% right because I've never played) there were so many duplicates and questions that didn't make sense. And people just came to write quizzes I heard. Anyway, Chicken7 >talk 04:23, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

In quick theory, it is a very good idea. But when you add humans to the equation, it gets messed up. Halopedia is a very good example of how it backfires. The admins there are constantly dealing with spam (though since we have 5x as many sysops, we'd have it much easier). Dragon medium helm! Whaddaya know?Chiafriend12Better than rune!Loon is best buttlord 02:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)