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This thread was archived on 11 August 2009 by Azaz129.

Note: The title I chose was merely a joke, a means to grab attention. At the first sight of an immature comment, I beg any user to move this forum to something with a less controversial name, such as Forum:UTP Addition. Thank you.

Ok, this has been enough of an issue to warrant this forum. I've seen, from at least three users (naming names would be bad), some form of a "do you hate me?/want me to leave?" poll. I propose that as an addition to the User Treatment Policy, we just outright ban these things. They only cause problems. In the instances I have seen, some user decides they are unhappy on the wiki. They amend their userpage, throwing in a "if you really want me gone then tell me in this poll" clause. Now this is just asking for trouble. When people who are jerks vote "yes I hate you," the user then tends to say "omg nobody likes me, fine I'll leave if you all hate me so much." And by doing so, the user is then able to transfer any personal responsibility for being unhappy to the entire wiki community.

I see these things as nothing but a cry for attention. Controversy erupts over how "the whole wiki" is against someone, then the users who did like the person leave fawning comments on their talk page, begging them to stay. I really don't see how these things possibly could cause any good, and I want them outlawed. I don't expect punishment for putting one up, but the user should have to remove it immediately when directed to the policy. Failure to comply, after repeated warnings, however, should get a few hours block to a day, max.

I also propose that this addition include things such as "sign your name here if you don't like me," etc. Christine 19:30, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Complete and total SUPPORT - "do you hate me" lists etc don't do any good on this wiki. Andrew talk 23:21, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - They just encourage flaming. I totally agree they should not be allowed. My proudest achievement Juliusc01Talk Click here if you think this wiki is obsessed with bunniesN W A  F T W 23:25, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - I fully agree with this. There really is no good reason for these "Nobody likes me" polls on userpages. Some people might think it's funny voting for them to leave just as a joke when, in reality, it's just creating more frustration and can be potentially hurtful for the user as they might take it seriously. Leaving the wiki should be the users decision, not the communities. If a user really wants to leave, they will need to do it with their own judgement, instead of being pressured to leave because of others deciding for them. Rollback crown.svg Spencer (Talk | Edits | Contribs) 23:26, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per Christine

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00:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC) I'm guessing you saw my userpage. I'm not even going to bother to reply to any of your tongue-in-cheek references to my userpage, and my userpage alone. Calling me an attention whore won't get me to take it down. I genuinely don't know what to do, and need to leave this up to a poll. When I get criticized for venting on my userpage, you know that's a sign people are getting sick of me. Especially since I have 6 "leave" votes.

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00:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

You're so vain... I said that there were three users at minimum who have done this. Yes, your userpage sparked this forum to finally get this official, but don't be so cocky as to think I am only referring to you. Thanks. Christine 01:53, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
I'm vain? I'm cocky? Proud? Ignorant? *reads off dictionary definitions*'re kidding. If you're allowed to say that about me here, then...right back at you. And now I have an equal amount of leave and stay, and I'm assuming you voted leave, so if you're trying to drive me out, you're succeeding. It might not have been just me, but if I triggered this, it must be of some significance that I am doing this and not somebody else. 02:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
...No, Cash, it means that it wasn't just a one off thing that we don't have to worry about. The whole point of forbidding these is that so people don't assume the whole wiki hates them, and so that they don't jump to conclusions as you just have. Christine 02:15, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - People probably votes "I hate you" as "fun/funny." They aren't truthful in those polls because they think the user is joking or, as I mentioned, the voters want to be funny and the user might take that personally. Santa hat.png Powers38 おはようヾ(´・ω・`) 01:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Ugh, you moron. This is no place for whether or not somebody hates you, noob!!!!1!!11one!11!!1!11!11eleven!!1!!42!! 673528:78567 Jebuary 9th 2050(Yew Tea Seer)

Just kidding of course. I'm Neutral towards this. 01:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - Its not our job to make sure a user does not hurt their own feelings.Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 03:47, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

No, it is not. But I also do not see how having this as a means to avoid community conflict is a bad thing. Opposing something just because "it's not our job," when it also would not harm us, is no solid reason at all, in my opinion. Christine 04:04, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
The conflicts involving users who made polls escalated long before they chose to make the poll. We should look for the most efficient way to stop disruptive users and work on getting them banned instead of making trivial rules and policies about what you can and cant say or do. In this case a user doing something like making a poll only to create fuel for their position would go against the current user treatment and block policies and should not need to added or emphasized. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 05:18, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
If you know this community, then you know that unless things are explicitly stated, "it's not policy." This is merely an addendum and you've failed to explain how adding this will be anything but beneficial. Even if nothing comes of it, it still has not harmed us, and there is no reason not to include it. Christine 05:54, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately policy can and should not be changed based on how well you or I know the community. On top of it being none our concern if a user chooses to exacerbate a situation by playing childish games, adding "explicitly stated" events and of fences for everything that could go wrong would make the policy a giant database. Ponder this for a moment, do you really believe the offenders that broke the rules that led to the situations being discussed really would have honored a policy as remote as not making polls or comments that give them fuel to burn on? As well, my stance does not rest on my ability to prove or disprove anything you may believe or want. I am free to oppose anything I choose just for the sake of opposing it. That is the freedom all editors are granted on this wiki. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 07:38, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Comment As an "older" member of the wiki, I see many of people trying to get approval from other users in everything they do. Whether it is edits, ranking in cc, becoming an admin, all the users have to realize that this a community. Some people will like you and others will not. The fact that users are putting polls on their pages to find out "how many people hate you" can not be more childish. I am sure if any user put up a poll like that, every person would receive negative votes. Polls like that do nothing but cause trouble, stir up feelings, and get people upset. I would love to see an end to the self-hating that goes on around here. I know that it is not practical, considering the difference in age groups, and things that are going on people's personal lives. If anyone feels they are not wanted here, there is no reason to ask others, just go somewhere else. There are countless wiki's out there including some other RuneScape ones. Not allowing polls like this are the first step to try to mend feelings between users. I wouldn't mind even taking it one step further in so that any user that mentions harming themselves or other in any way get reported to the proper authorities. While I understand that we are not here to babysit users, nor to be Big Brother, we have the right to protect the wiki and make it an enjoyable place for all editors ‎Easter egg.pngAtlandy 14:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Pending - This sounds like a good idea, which will help stop the attention seekeres out there stirring up trouble, but I'd like to see the text of what would be added to RS:UTP. Could you hack together something for us to nitpick over Christine? Administrator Hurston (T # C) 15:17, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose Per Tebuddy, if people want trouble I am sure they will find other ways. Also of course we can't be like Big Brother is watching you ("1984") that would be extreme. Let people make their own decisions instead of laying out rules about this is what you can do and this is what you can't and users should be mature enough not to make polls like that. Attack Ancient Fofo Slayer 20:07, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Support: These pages create nothing but conflicts and drama, two things that our wiki most certainly does not need --Rollback crown.svgAburnett001 {Talk} {#} 20:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - Per above. We don't need and can't afford any more flaming or drama. All they do is create drama and nothing else. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 22:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment - To all those opposing, saying it isn't our job, I thought I made it clear that that was not the point. I do not want to add this in order to tell people what to do. I want to do it to try to prevent further drama in our community, and to avoid conflicts. You are acting all acting like trying to prevent such a thing is ludicrous - personally, I feel that way when I see people oppose. What exactly is so wrong about wanting to avoid flaming and possible blocks for personal attacks or UTP violations? Seriously, I'm trying to think of this from both sides but I cannot for the life of me understand your reasoning. Can one of the opposers try to make this more clear? Christine 00:30, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

For the record, I didn't support or oppose. I'm just pissed off because people are just saying "omg only imature babies will make polls", which is an indirect shot at me. It doesn't matter - I'm probably quitting anyway.

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00:43, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

That was the cry for attention I was referring to. >_> *cough* Christine 02:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Support. Anyone who thinks that making one of these ridiculous polls will benefit the wiki clearly isn't mature enough to be editing here. Dtm142 02:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment Gee, I am going to miss picking a box at random or based on a coin flip. But asking others (who do not know the whole situation) what choice one should make for themselves really deserves no more than said coin-flip. Only oneself truly knows what they are going thru and they need to look inside themselves for ansers. Not where they can be insulted by people they do not even know. --Degenret01 10:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - I support banning these such polls (to me, all of the polls are useless), but I don't believe they're a cry for attention... 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 15:06, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - As per most people above. Statistics.png Lvl 3 skils3 Choice! Talk~ Holiday Signup ~Hiscores 17:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Christine, I think your above *cough* remark is totally uncalled for. From the way I see it you now are just making fun of Instant now. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 18:39, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

There is also something wrong with him assuming I meant him. I'm not making fun of him at all, I never even said his name. He was the one to call attention to himself. Christine 18:46, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Support - These polls have always lead to drama. I don't know why everything has become a popularity contest. This isn't MySpace, we're not comparing the amount of friends we have. We're an encyclopedia. All it does it lead to trolling, flaming and aggression. Karlis (talk) (contribs) 18:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

THANK YOU, Degen! Finally someone managed to reply without calling all poll-users immature, crying for attention, or not belonging on the wiki (Dtm). I find it immensely funny how Christine calls everything I say a cry for attention, yet when she says similar stuff about the community, it is seen as her being the victim. And Dtm, you hit the nail on the head. I don't belong here. I can't listen to any more of this bs, can someone support this without calling people who use polls on their userpages attention whores? I can't believe you people are this shallow. If you support, just say so. No backstabbing comments. I'm leaving the wiki, later tonight I'll change my userpage to reflect that, but I just see this entire proposal as an attempt to troll me. And it worked. I freaking quit. Bye.

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19:04, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Weird, I didn't know this was directed at you at all. >.> I thought it was about someone else. You had a poll on your userpage? I need to start paying attention to people's pages more. =( If it's any consolation, I hadn't directed my comments at any specific person, rather the idea in general. =\ Karlis (talk) (contribs) 19:08, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
You're one of the most paranoid users I have ever met. Screw what I said before. Btz and Blanko have used this method before. I never said you were the first. I never said you were the reason I wrote this. The fact that three people did it made it seem like this needs to be put into effect. When the hell have I ever explicitly said anything YOU did was a cry for attention? When have I said similar stuff about the wiki? Ever notice that I get called some of the most vile things imaginable on this wiki, and yet I still edit? I don't scream everybody hates me, I know enough that the only person who truly has an issue with me is whoever said that nasty thing. Not a single person here was ever trying to push you away Cashman, and I don't see why you would subject yourself to a poll, just asking for negative answers? And who did you say plays the victim, again? Me? I'm truly sick of this. This was a simple proposal to prevent people like you from thinking everyone hated them. I don't want you to leave, but since you continue to assume these things about me then go. Christine 19:14, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

I removed the poll. It's not to cater to your whims. It's because I want to calm down and call this constant drama I've been in off. I might quit, still, but there is a much lesser chance. I'm sorry I got fired up. Also, when did Blanko do that? I remember when Btz did, though.

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21:05, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Strong Support - These polls are just a cry for attention, and only detract from the wiki. They definitely should not be allowed.

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Weakish support I agree there has been too much drama around here lately, and if anyone gets to the stage that they think they need this kind of poll, or something similar, they need to take stock. If you feel that someone has wronged you in violation of the UTP, raise it as an issue and get it dealt with. If someone has raised a legitimate concern about your behaviour, and is within the UTP (as well as what might be considered good behaviour or etiquette anyway) then look at yourself and consider whether they had a valid point. Put it this way: someone who is seriously bad for the wiki (by community consensus, not personal grudges) will be temporarily or permanently blocked anyway. The only people who would vote in such a poll to say they want you to quit the wiki would either be complete gits (and why would you care about their opinions) or people who wasn't even serious. As such, the results of these polls are no basis for making this kind of decision - and they are not an attractive sight on the wiki, not even on someone's user page. Contributing here is supposed to be a labour of love because we all like RuneScape, and feel a sense of pride in the wiki. If it isn't doing that any more then maybe people should give it up, or at least take a wikibreak - even a few weeks away can make all the difference. For the record, Winston, I would be personally gutted if you quit, and I really hope you won't. Leevclarke talk Max_logo_mini.png bulldog_puppy.png 21:27, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, and I think I've gotten everything straightened out now. I don't think I'm quitting.

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21:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Strong Support I agree with you 100%. This Wiki is about Runescape, not sympathy. And I am not sure where these users get the idea that everyone hates them. I also think (though to do not support) that voting "yes, I hate you" or writing other vulgar forms of "hate mail" could possibly be considered as minor vandalism, and that just adds to the problem. Guthix staff.pngCaesermenace Green partyhat.pngCaesermenace 19:17, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Understandable, however: 1) Polls are anonymous. And 2) I think if someone were to ask you to write if you hate them, they need to be willing to take the truth. Christine 21:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
Good Point.Guthix staff.pngCaesermenace Green partyhat.pngCaesermenace 22:03, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - TEbuddy hit the nail on the head. A magic scroll.png WejerFeather.png 08:48, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - I agree with Wejer: TEbuddy said it all. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  03:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC) Strong Support- People joke around and press "Yes, I hatew you" as a joke. BUt then the wikian actually gets upset. Just a plain ol' Recipe for Disaster (Sorry for the bad joke) Guthix symbol.pngAm-sayTalk ~ Contribs ~ #Rune longsword.png 16:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Ehm... why did you bring back a three month-old discussion?  Tien  16:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Besides the point tien, consensus has not yet been made here, I'm adding my support, if people wanna know how others feel then use the editor review system. --Serenity1137 19:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Total Support - not only is it a bad idea, but it kinda makes me sad when people on the wiki that I am fond of create polls like this. IMO we should close this now, it is quite old now. --Magic-icon.pngStelercusIlluminated Book of Balance.png 01:01, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

If we're all going to vote on this again I would have to say I support per all the other supports above me. Prayer.png Jedi Talk HS Log Tracker Summoning.png 01:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Changed to Support - With the new Editor Review there is no point in these polls and they only serve to upset people. ~ Fire Surge icon.png Sentry Telos Talk  01:30, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Oppose - We are not some phsycological self-confidence helper. If a user wants to put that, don't stop them. --Joe Click Here for Awesomeness 07:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Support - Not because of those users, but because they will scream to others that they hate them, et cetera. Anyways, just use RS:ER. Ancient talisman.png Oil4 Talk 20:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Comment - Alot of people seem to think that the editor review is a suitable replacement for these polls. But the fact that everyone is overlooking is that the types of people who make these polls are not the type of people who seek a review to calm themselves down. Editor review is a tool for editors who want genuine opinions of their past edits and quality. Polls like the ones described above are one way the offending people try to gather fuel to burn their drama off of. Now, what exactly makes anyone here think that by adding some more text to a page that an offending user would have most certainly ignored anyway, is going to stop them from finding some way to let out the rage? Someone who wants a gun to do something bad is going to get the gun regardless of the law that governs guns. Similarly, if someone is offended by something someone has said or some decision made they dont agree with, they are going to stir things up because of their emotions which are not govered by logic and reason. As far as I am concerned, making rules that tell people what polls they can and cannot make leads to more and more behavior control under the banner of preventing anger/drama/whatever boogeyman. It is a very lethal snowball effect that can only lead one direction. Cap and goggles.pngTEbuddy 20:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Support Polls such as these are completely and totally useless, and do nothing but hurt the people the polls are about. Why would a poll like this even come up? AttackJdogy15 TalkDragonfire shield 00:20, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Request of closure - This appears to meet the requirements of rough consensus, although I'm not completely certain. - TehKittyCatTalk Wikian-Book 15:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

What? - Reading this thread I have no idea what the rough consensus would even be. Most of this thread is several months old, had pretty much died out, and then was recently restarted. To be honest, I can't get a sense of consensus from reading this thread through. Could you let us know what you think the consensus is? And then people can decide from there. Thanks. Air rune.png Tollerach hates SoF Fire rune.png 01:45, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Absolute Support Per all. It's nothing but a lame and sad whine. Balance iz powa!4ndrepd TalkContribsStupid monkeys actually have a use...Jump to the God Wars II! 19:40, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Support - but it kind of seems like this has reached consensus of banning these things. And, it's really old. Might as well close it, right? 20px‎ Kudos 2 U Talk! Edit count! Contribs! 07:03, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Oppose I don't think it is a good step for this Wiki to become like JaGeX. By this I mean: JaGeX doesn't allow talk about religion and politics. I find this appalling, because it is JaGeX trying to not offend players. I do not believe that we should go towards trying to make everyone feel non-offended, as this is the Internet and any step towards censorship for such a reason is ultimately a pointless effort; similar to rain on the rooftop. --Allonym 12:57, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Comment - This isn't intended to stop users from offending themselves. It is meant to prevent community disruption and unnecessary conflicts between users. Also, I second the request for closure. I don't feel that I should do it myself since I would prefer a neutral user, but this has gone on for months (more than enough time). Dtm142 01:17, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Closed - The proposal to bar "hate lists" and polls asking whether other users what the user to leave/if the users "hate" said user, is successful and now to be covered under the user treatment policy.--

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