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This thread was archived on 20 April 2008 by Endasil.

Well, anyone can edit this wikia. But i see more and more wrong edits from IP addresses.

Like the Dragon chainbody was last set on 198K?

HAM boots, best boots in the game with stats 90+?

And many more, I think that people first have to make an account, read rules *then continue* and then they may edit.

And after 50 edits they may place images

What do you think of this?

  1. Read rules
    1. Continue
    2. Accept rules
  2. Edit
  3. Placing images after 50 edits made

Buzz (Talk#P ) 10:09, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

  • Oppose. The suggestion here violates two very important policies; RS:AEAE and RS:AGF. Basically, all editors are equal, and that whenever someone edits, assume it's to help the wiki, not hurt it. Now, if they do things like that above, what to do first is assume good faith. Maybe they didn't know. Just put a nice little note on the talk page. However, if it continues and the user just won't listen to you and acts obnoxiously, then that might be considered vandalism, but, otherwise, no. This idea can't happen because it violates these policies, and they are very fundamental for the RuneScape Wiki. Butterman62 (talk) Ice Barrage icon.png 20:11, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose - we have to assume good faith, and it's impossible to set those restrictions anyways. Some IPs DO have great edits. Christine 14:06, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Remember, not ALL IP's are bad. Infact, most of them edit in good faith, some of them make silly edits, and some are vandals. But to block an entire usergroup would be like putting one's entire family in jail for what they did (I understand that this has happened and is happening in the world). Just let IPs edit and if they're vandalizing, revert it and block them. If their edits are silly, I see no reason why you can't just click "revert" or "undo".Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 15:14, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Strongly oppose - I've done about fifty edits throughout the various IPs that I have used, reverting vandalism, improving articles and notably being the one responsible for breaking all the codes in the Chaos Elemental's corkboard. If you did ban all IPs, my contributions would have never happened. And I am only one person. Imagine my contributions and multiply them by the number of good people using IPs; all of them gone. You will get a reduced incidence of vandalism but you will also make this wiki so much the poorer and inaccurate.--72.1.222.146 11:47, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
  • Comment - He's not asking to ban IPs, he's asking to make it so you have ot have 50 edits (in the mainspace?) to upload an image.Yellow partyhat.png Ilyas Talk Contribs 17:07, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
He said: "I think that people first have to make an account, read rules *then continue* and then they may edit." and later said after 50 edits, upload pictures. So he is in fact advocating a complete ban on IP edits. You can also see in his step by step instructions that he wants people to create accounts before they can make a single edit.
  • Comment Talk about missing the forest for the trees. I just realized: what is this discussion doing here on the talk page for requests for administration? Shouldn't it be in the Yew grove?--72.1.222.146 18:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Strongly oppose - This whole process is something that... if it were to be changed... is something that should be taken up with Wikia instead. This is an interesting trade-off in terms of making things difficult for the new contributor before you can make your first edit. In some ways, I like the idea of adding some initial obsticles for new users (aka something like tutorial island on Runescape) so you don't have a whole bunch of throw-away accounts... or at least something that you've invested a little bit of time into first. Quality does improve significantly when you do this, but at the expense of driving a great many more people away from editing and adding content. Experience on Wikipedia and other wiki projects show that by opening up the editing tools (including image uploads) for anybody and everybody, that it provides an excellent path for brand new contributors to get involved. Where to draw that line is sometimes difficult between removing problematic users and allowing a low threshold for new contributors to start out. By their very nature, a wiki tends to err on the side of allowing new users full access to editing tools. I agree that this needs to continue. --Robert Horning 17:41, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Strongly Oppose - This would completely defeat the purpose of a wiki, the point being: Anyone can contribute to the ongoing project. Disallowing the right for anyone to edit could have severe consequences for this wiki. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that I only "officially" joined after I had already made several small edits as an anonymous IP. By disallowing IP's to edit, you'd not only remove that (large) part of the population, but it would also discourage many people from even signing up to begin with. I understand that many vandals come from anonymous IPs, but that's not to say all anonymous IPs vandalize. The point is to assume good faith. - Regabuh 19:14, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
  • Very Strongly Oppose - That ruins the whole purpose of a wiki. I see more good IP edits than vandalism. Anyway, we're always advertising, "The wiki for all things RuneScape that anyone can edit!" White partyhat.png C Teng talk 01:15, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
That is just wrong, YES anyone can edit this wikia. They can do what ever they want. But if they make an account, read rules and stuff, THEN they may edit, so, everyone can still edit, but with a little change..
Or better, read rules before anyones first edit! That means this has nothing to do with IP banning..

Buzz (Talk#P ) 13:46, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

So people who use dynamic IPs like AOL will have to read the rules every single time they want to make a small edit? Or do you want even static IPs since libraries, colleges, universities community centers, appartments, etc... can all have multiple people using the same IP address? Here's an interesting poll that could be put on the front page "How many edits did you make before officially joining the RuneScape wiki"? How many people do you think will vote 0? Now how many people do you think will vote for a number or go "I still haven't joined!" How many improvements to the wiki do you think will go by because casual visitors who notice a mistake or an omission or even account members who are visiting from a foreign computer and don't want/can't log in to their account? Your idea not only destroys the spirit of this wiki but will actually hurt the quality of the wiki because it will cause a severe reduction in valuable and timely edits.--72.1.222.146 14:44, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
Alright... I think we've reached a consensus. White partyhat.png C Teng talk 16:17, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
No no, they don't have to read the rules before every edit, they can click on a little box to accept the rules, then they may edit. Just, read the rules, accept them, and edit. That is now my main thing. Less vandalism. (The price of an ancient staff was set on 8120000gp, by an IP address.
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here here here here here Buzz (Talk#P ) 07:20, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Please don't go back and edit your original post Buzz. It's against the rules and it makes it very difficult for people who join a discussion late to understand what the heck is going on. If you want to change your opinion halfway through a discussion, then state your new opinion at an appropriate place (resigning with the new opinion) and strikethrough the old stuff.
Sorry bout that!
Anyway, I still oppose this. Anything that retracts from peoples' ability to edit is unWiki. I don't even think forcing people to read the rules would make a difference; 95% of vandals know they're breaking the rules when they break the rules, even if they haven't read them yet. Endasil (Talk) @  08:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
↓ People that want to edit this wiki MUST know what they are doing ↓
It is a good idea that users register an account, preferably their RuneScape username. This way their IP address can be hidden from public view and they can become part of the community. It is recommended that your RuneScape password is not used as your Wikia password.
People that stay under IP addresses have more chance to be a vandal.. I just want them to read the Rules once, clicking on a box. Then continue! Like when you upload an image, all those warnings! They have to be more clear!

Buzz (Talk#P ) 14:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

As has just been mentionned, do you really think it's a lack of understanding the rules that makes someone replace an article with "POOP"? And again, you say you "just want them to read the rules once" and so once again I ask, what about the people who are on a dynamic IP like AOL, are they going to have to read the rules everytime they make an edit and what about all those places where several people use just one IP? Oh, by the way, there is nothing forcing new members to read the rules either so you would be asking the IPs to set a higher standard than those who did join.--Diberville 14:24, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Oppose. I think the ability to just dive in and start editing is a good thing. Vandalism is a nuisance, but we stay on top of it pretty well and I don't think we should penalise good editors who choose not to create an account. The same goes for image uploads. Unless the amount of vandalism increases by an order of magnitude I see no reason to change the current system. Pointy 19:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Oke, let's put an end of this, people may dive in and edit, the vandalism is the admins and our care. Buzz (Talk#P ) 06:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)